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martygras Junior Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2011 Posts: 84 Location: Southern Oregon USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think you are all mad scientists.
Be careful or the villagers will be carrying torches to your castles to burn your FRANKENDRUMS.
keep on pushing those limits. |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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message from the lab
fullmoon over Bavaria , South Germany
heavy thunderstorms with lightnings announced.....
slightly modded Oriental about to be connected with heavily modded Silver
at the trigger in/output level...
PCM samples , preset/user banks compared
limits being pushed heavily..
results : promising , but unpredictable
future will tell
be the force with us... |
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tobintech
Joined: 24 Jul 2011 Posts: 7 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: Please repost the pictures |
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Could you post the pictures to tumblr.com or imgur.com, speedy share doesn't have them on file anymore. I'd like to see what you have done for these mods |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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here you find the 3 pictures and one more ,
that shows the possibilities of full modding.
most of it is already realized ...
edited to show the pictures
Last edited by WaterDrum on Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:55 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious how using the clip on a guitar headstock worked hot! Waterdrum is some kind of crazy modding savant! I'm learning all I can! |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Waterdrum I'm off to the mom and pop if they are open today! |
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amitpaul
Joined: 27 Feb 2012 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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This forum is really good.I am having a great time in this post.
wire clips |
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Bertotti Platinum Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 3384 Location: Middle of nowhere
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Another thead that should be stickied? |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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thanx a lot , pepperpotty , for making this a sticky.
2 modification threads (freestoks and mine)as sticky threads
show that it is necessary to improve the WD.
most important for everybody of course is soundediting
enough bla , now I have a little goodie
for all who have ever touched their SD Card already.
"it is of course possible to exchange complete soundbanks ,
and it is also possible to work these new sounds
into your Userbank ....."
one more reason to get in contact with your local SD card..
details will be released as soon as a few people are interested.
I will post these infos and other non trigger related stuff
in this thread as I dont wanna cluster my infos...OK?
also preparing infos about the composition of the ALGOs
and about Expression pedal effects. |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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When I tested all the ALGos with my BassDrum pedal and my EXP pedal ,
I wanted to know , how strong the different ALGos could be influenced .
here are the results:
This file shows
1.how the ALGos are assembled (sound A and Sound B )
2.how useful an ALGo is , assigned to the rim (1-10)
3.what the difference in sound is , when I use a bassdrum pedal (or a "bang trigger")
(when the ALGo is assigned to the rim)
4.what my EXP pedal does (or , with an unmodded WD , what pressure onto the head does)
5.how to get rid of velocity sensitive and random effects
(I DO hate the WD play random ..., the only one who plays random is me. )
I prefer melodies that can be controlled & repeated.
(Imagine a piano/guitar that plays random...do you want that , really ?)
this file was created as an XLS-datafile , but as I know that OFFICE is not loved ,
I saved it as a *.PDF file.
http://speedy.sh/pcWsa/ALGo-1.pdf
even if you dont use external triggers /EXP pedals (yet , ever )
it can be useful to print this (one) page out , and have a look...
with ALGo 12 I could repeat a soft crash situation (no problem)
that only happened on my ORI , not on my SILVER (??)
could sbd test this ?
If you find a mistake (esp. Tabla), dont keep it , but tell me please
do you like that info ,useful ???
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Kaden Junior Member
Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 97 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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All your other *excellent* work not withstanding, this line stood out...
"(Imagine a piano/guitar that plays random...do you want that , really ?)"
Well, yeah, actually... chaos is a pretty useful tool, musically.
But that's just me... _________________ Make. Write. Play drums |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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hi Kaden ,
seems we hit something that goes deep into philosophy
and is definitely absolutely subjective
wikipedia needs many pages (no , I didnt read that ) to explain
a short definition (shure not complete):
chaos:
"...randomness ... or ...the lack of predictability of events."(WIKI)
..."and lack of rules"(Waterdrum)
is
"a pretty useful tool , musically " (Kaden)
all in all , I agree with your opinion ,
because I am a chaotic since the 70s.(not in my job ,not with my bike)
(and it shure needs some chaotic spirit to drill holes into a wavedrum )
as with the "ideal PCM sample set"
there is no good or better , its just a matter of personal taste
(as well as "musical usefulness" ,)
and can not easily be discussed , if at all...
I think however , that these are very interesting topics
and they would definitively deserve an own thread.
the random playing of the wavedrum is not really compatible
with my own built in randomizer ,
not enough chaos inside WD melodies, that is it ...
but both can be deactivated ...
btw : I did some extra work and googled your signature (earlier already)
hopefully "Eccentric Cubicle" arrives tomorrow (I admit , a used one) .
Cool DIY stuff
I am very interested in your brute force midification , esp.the head trigger ,
could you please get a little bit into details ?
(external triggering includes that already...) |
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Kaden Junior Member
Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 97 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dude... you bought Cubicle? Cheers... that's 2 years of my life in softcover format.
The brute force midi thing was as simple as using my TD-8 module as a trigger-to-midi convertor... the TD-8 is remarkably accommodating in terms of turning a piezo pulse into midi data, and there's a dozen inputs available that can trigger internal sounds as well as pass the data to the midi out to external devices. I harvest piezo elements from dollar store 'personal alarms', and the 600-800 mA spikes they provide are *more* than capable of driving the circuitry. I mounted the head trigger onto the WD externally with double faced tape just to the right of the sensor cover, near the rim, which gave me the entire diameter of the head as ...er... striking distance for some measure of passive volume control.
As I said prior, it worked, sorta, but at the end of the day it was the kind of novelty instrument Reek Havoc was doing with his Midi Fruit triggers back in '84... stick a piezo on *anything*, and a trigger to midi convertor will respond when you whack it.
Except for cats. _________________ Make. Write. Play drums |
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WaterDrum Senior Member
Joined: 01 Apr 2011 Posts: 340 Location: 3rd Stone from the Sun , Bavaria
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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yeah , a TD8 has a lot of trigger inputs that can be layered.
useful maybe ? , maybe not ?
My SPD-S has got 2 trigger inputs only , thats enough for me ,
esp. as I can use my own 2 layer samples.
at the moment this one would be the cheapest solution
for one`s own samples:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_samplepad_percussion_multi_pad.htm
but it has only one trigger input and one layer samples ...
btw , most of the time I use samples as attack sounds ,
and prefer sounds that are defined by Algorithms .
ALGos have more variations with external triggering ...
Samples always sound the same.
wishful thinking :
A small sample expansion box
with an SD card for a few own samples + 2 trigger inputs
(by KORG of course) would be soooo awesome ... |
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Kaden Junior Member
Joined: 04 Feb 2011 Posts: 97 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know about the Highly Liquid MidiCPU board? There's a number of quality discussions on their forum regarding the challenge of dynamic trigger to midi conversion. The MidiCPU is the absolute business for DIY controllers. _________________ Make. Write. Play drums |
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