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ctc
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: Pseudo-Moog Taurus bass pedals |
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I'm a guitar player and have never played keys. However once upon a time a band member lent me his Moog Taurus I bass pedals which I loved to play. Those 25+ year old pedals are long gone but I would like to play something like them again. I see the new Moog Taurus III is well out of my price range at $2000.
I found a similar type piece of equipment Roland PK-5A dynamic foot pedal and MIDI controller. I know that this is just a controller and won't make any sound on its own but my question is, what can I plug this into to make the sounds I want?
There are lots of used sound modules on the market that can be had for a couple of hundred dollars. If I pick up one of these is there something that I need to pay special attention to to make sure that it will work with a dynamic foot pedal and allow me to play some great bass sounds? _________________ ctc
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1384
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Pseudo-Moog Taurus bass pedals |
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Essentially any MIDI capable synth.
Look into a MicroKorg, Moog Slim/Little Phatty, DSI Mopho, etc.
The Slim Phatty may be your best bet for getting the Moog sound at a cheaper price. I think it has slightly less synth parameters than an actual Taurus, but I may be wrong. _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192886 |
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ctc
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Pseudo-Moog Taurus bass pedals |
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tpantano wrote: | Essentially any MIDI capable synth. |
Ok. But with my limited knowledge of midi, don't the keys and other switches on the midi controller need to be mapped to the synth?
Thx. _________________ ctc
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tpantano Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Pseudo-Moog Taurus bass pedals |
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ctc wrote: | tpantano wrote: | Essentially any MIDI capable synth. |
Ok. But with my limited knowledge of midi, don't the keys and other switches on the midi controller need to be mapped to the synth?
Thx. |
I'm fairly certain that the pedal just transfers regular old MIDI notes, which require no special mapping for a synth to understand them. _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192886 |
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ctc
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: Bass Pedal Midi Controller |
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I am unable to find a used Roland PK-5A. Can you recommend a similar bass pedal midi controller?
Thx. _________________ ctc
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phattbuzz Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2011 Posts: 790 Location: NH USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Search "Midi Bass Pedals" on ebay. _________________ Latest Set Up: Kronos 61, Casio Privia, Korg TR61, EoWave Ribbon, Roli Rise 48, TEC Breath Controller, StudioLogic MP-117 Bass Pedals, Moog Theremini.
Past Instruments of Construction: Hammond A100 w/Leslie 760, Korg R3, Roland AxSynth, Korg Poly61, Korg M1, Univox MaxiKorg, Korg MS2000, (2) Moog Concertmate MG1, (2) Hammond X5, Rhodes Mark I & 2, Farfisa Compact, Yamaha S08, Casio SK1, Strymon Mobius, Custom Bass Pedals, Burns B3 Theremin. |
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phattbuzz Platinum Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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ctc,
Not sure where you are located, but Ebay USA has a PK5 listed. There are also two persons selling one octave organ pedals converted to MIDI, and there's a Basyn kit to convert your own pedals to MIDI. Just search for "midi bass pedals" on Ebay.
- phattbuzz _________________ Latest Set Up: Kronos 61, Casio Privia, Korg TR61, EoWave Ribbon, Roli Rise 48, TEC Breath Controller, StudioLogic MP-117 Bass Pedals, Moog Theremini.
Past Instruments of Construction: Hammond A100 w/Leslie 760, Korg R3, Roland AxSynth, Korg Poly61, Korg M1, Univox MaxiKorg, Korg MS2000, (2) Moog Concertmate MG1, (2) Hammond X5, Rhodes Mark I & 2, Farfisa Compact, Yamaha S08, Casio SK1, Strymon Mobius, Custom Bass Pedals, Burns B3 Theremin. |
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ctc
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I saw those and am considering my options. I'll also need a sound module. Thx. _________________ ctc
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Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking about doing this with my microKorg when I get it.
I have some old organ pedals at home and on my old MK I had a really good taurus bass sound.. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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ctc
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Pseudo-Moog Taurus bass pedals |
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tpantano wrote: | Look into a MicroKorg, Moog Slim/Little Phatty, DSI Mopho, etc. |
Thx. At the risk of sounding cheap, those are too expensive for this out of work musician. What about all of those $100 - $200 sound modules that I see on craigslist like E-mu Proteus 1000 & 2000, E-mu orbit V2, Roland MT-32, Korg M3R, 360 systems MidiBass dektop sound module, etc.? Can they produce a great big bass tone that you'd be proud of or are these cheap for a good reason? _________________ ctc
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phattbuzz Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Some of those old units can work very well for what you're doing. Check for You-Tube videos on any machine you plan on buying. _________________ Latest Set Up: Kronos 61, Casio Privia, Korg TR61, EoWave Ribbon, Roli Rise 48, TEC Breath Controller, StudioLogic MP-117 Bass Pedals, Moog Theremini.
Past Instruments of Construction: Hammond A100 w/Leslie 760, Korg R3, Roland AxSynth, Korg Poly61, Korg M1, Univox MaxiKorg, Korg MS2000, (2) Moog Concertmate MG1, (2) Hammond X5, Rhodes Mark I & 2, Farfisa Compact, Yamaha S08, Casio SK1, Strymon Mobius, Custom Bass Pedals, Burns B3 Theremin. |
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Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Most of them are good - just not for what you're after.
That great Taurus bass sound is legendary and most digital (especially sample-based) synths just can't do it justice.
I've got close on my microKorg I just received.. you have to crank up the volume and have a subwoofer to really appreciate it though.
You might get a 2nd hand microKorg within your budget.
I can't vouch for the quality but out of your selection there, the Orbit might be the closest. I say that mainly because it is designed purely for electronic sounds (although aimed mainly at the 'techno' category).
You should really look up what is available (for example use google), listen to sound examples. the MIDIBass for example sounds like an interesting product but is rather limited to emulative bass 'guitar' sounds. The fact that there isn't much on the internet about it also says a lot. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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ctc
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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phattbuzz wrote: | ctc,
...and there's a Basyn kit to convert your own pedals to MIDI. |
yes, that kit looks interesting. The info on the website states that it can work with any 13 trigger device, which I think means any momentary switch - which by definition are not velocity sensitive. Since I'm not an experienced player, I need to ask you, how important do you think it is for bass pedals to be velocity sensitive? _________________ ctc
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phattbuzz Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2011 Posts: 790 Location: NH USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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ctc wrote: | phattbuzz wrote: | ctc,
...and there's a Basyn kit to convert your own pedals to MIDI. |
yes, that kit looks interesting. The info on the website states that it can work with any 13 trigger device, which I think means any momentary switch - which by definition are not velocity sensitive. Since I'm not an experienced player, I need to ask you, how important do you think it is for bass pedals to be velocity sensitive? |
There's a video on YouTube with someone that was having trouble installing the Basyn kit. If you don't have the patience and electronic know-how, I would probably recommend against it.
I've been playing organ for years and I know how to play the pedals quite well. Never had an organ with velocity sensitive pedals. I highly doubt that the Taurus was velocity sensitive.
I think it would take some time to get use to playing pedals with a "Different Touch" and really don't know how rewarding/frustrating it would be. _________________ Latest Set Up: Kronos 61, Casio Privia, Korg TR61, EoWave Ribbon, Roli Rise 48, TEC Breath Controller, StudioLogic MP-117 Bass Pedals, Moog Theremini.
Past Instruments of Construction: Hammond A100 w/Leslie 760, Korg R3, Roland AxSynth, Korg Poly61, Korg M1, Univox MaxiKorg, Korg MS2000, (2) Moog Concertmate MG1, (2) Hammond X5, Rhodes Mark I & 2, Farfisa Compact, Yamaha S08, Casio SK1, Strymon Mobius, Custom Bass Pedals, Burns B3 Theremin. |
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