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Slabwax · Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45

So here the deal. Lately I've been using my wavedrum for all sorts of gigs.But, I really haven't started to edit sounds much yet, and the manuel does indeed suck.

I have a gig where I need wind ( got it #87 pad) and thunder (#97 Rim). I'm using the WD for a live film foley score performance. So smacking the living bejeebers out of it on the rim is not cutting it. i tried to sort out how to just swap the sound out to the pad and for the life of me I can't get with the whole editing thing with this sound. After I read and reread the manual It looks like I might not be able to.

So my question and request to you all is simple HELP. I just need the thunder on the pad it should be straight forward

Thank you
Mr. Bonehead (AKA Slabwax)

martygras · Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject:

Lets see...

To help the thunder trigger on the rim, first try:
[edit 1]
U.Cr (velocity curve)
Select button 4 to edit the rim velocity curve. try a setting of 6.

This should make it way easy to trigger the thunder.

Good luck "Mr. Bonehead". I'd tell you my nickname, but it's not appropriate for the forum. Shocked

If you are still hearing unwanted noises, you can turn the volume of the rim algorithm or the rim PCM volume down/off.

Slabwax · Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45

Thanks for the help Ill try that today.

godoy777 · Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 11

i tried the program with my hand and i see what u mean,tried some med to hard timpani mallets works find for the thunder sound,any med to hard mallet should do,however i tried a gong mallet,no...also make sure yr output is in the x2 mode,u can leave the velocity curve at 000. i do run my wavedrum through a compressor and a mixer but any decent PA should do

martygras · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject:

X2 mode does not change the sensitivity of the strikes. Not sure if that is what you meant.

It's also advantageous to make sure you have the [EQ] set to HH (hand on head, hand on rim) for proper sensitivity.

Bertotti · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:02 pm Post subject:

Hands will toughen up. I play all the programs with my hands at first they got sore now not so much. But mallets are a great item to have along with different sticks and brushes and power rods, etc.. HH does also help a lot!

Slabwax · Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45

Thanks for all the tips. I'm not sure the sound will work for my needs on this drum. Not being able to trigger the sound from the pad is most likely a deal breaker for this gig. It's a sound effect for a silent film. In this part of the film it's just too exposed to have anything more then a tap on the head with my hand. There is a thunder sound on my Roland hpd-10 that I'm going to try tonight. If it's a decent sound the pads are dead silent I did not want to schlep both drums but I just might have to. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm sure I'll be asking for more down the road.

Dean

Bertotti · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:10 am Post subject:

Could you record it and edit out the tap first then play it back as a sample from your daw? I think the thunder in here is good and carries on a while!

Slabwax · Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 45

godoy777 · Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 11

the reason i mentioned x2 mode is that u should be able to get more volume without striking harder than necessary to get the sound u want.i have played hand percussion for over 50 years, but i play with a light hand compared to most pro percussionist so i usually only use my hand for pressure and to mute the head on the wavedrum, that rim is not good for the old fingers,i need all the volume i can get.

godoy777 · Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 11

u might try program 84 with the rim algorithms from program 97 ,i can't hear my mallet strike over my studios speakers.

WaveDrummer · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:29 am Post subject:

There are a few things to consider here.

As has been mentioned by others, it can be difficult to activate that thunder sound on the rim with just the hands but it really depends on WHERE you are striking. It's quite easy with a hard or med-hard timpani mallet, especially if you strike the rim near the ridges on the right hand side. I really don't have to strike the rim very hard at all, and I would imagine that the sound of the thunder would easily mask the actual sound of the rim strike in a live situation. If I strike the outside edge of the rim with the shaft of the mallet, I can get away with an even softer strike and still trigger the thunder quite easily.

As far as switching those sounds from rim to head:
Program #97 "Rainy Day Drum" utilizes Rim PCM sound#80 (thunder), which is not available in the list of Head PCM sounds. Each list can only be applied to its respective location i.e. Head or Rim. Some sounds are replicated on both (some of the conga sounds, for example) but many of them are not.

The interesting thing about that wind sound in Program#87 "Cold Wind" is that the sound, and the pitch bending effect by pressing on the head, is actually generated from the Temple Algorithm (#2) that is assigned to the RIM! It has been heavily edited from the default settings for Algorithm#2 to achieve that wind effect. But if you assign ALG#2 to the HEAD, and apply the exact same edited parameters, it doesn't sound the same! There is still some metallic tone sound that seems impossible to fully eliminate.

You can experiment with this by playing around with Program #87. If you turn down the levels of all the sounds, except the Rim ALG (button #3), you will see that that's where the "wind" sound is coming from. If you assign that same Algorithm [with edited parameters] to the head (and turn the other three sounds down to 00) it will not sound the same. This is just a good example of how the Algorithms will respond differently depending on whether are assigned to the rim or the head.

WaveDrummer · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:54 am Post subject:

Bertotti · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:11 am Post subject:

Maybe. Waterdum mod and parallel a trigger with the rim sensor then you could trigger the sound a lot easier.

WaterDrum · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:22 am Post subject:

@ slabwax and everybody

here are the sounds in EXCEL format
to get a better overview... Wink

and maybe to copy these 2 soundlines into your usersoundbank

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/30648524/Wind_and_thunder.xls