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[ScoobyDoo555]

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Meanwhile, the system is heading towards a complete crash regardless and the powers that be are pushing towards WWIII in order to press a reset button.

[chilly7]

Yes, it is very bad, i do not know what to do. Maby it is was made in order to kill independed artists and music and to push devil mainstream music in to mass which make people aggressive zombies who do not want to think by their own brain.

P.s. Lukely for me i am not going to sell my music but will offer it all for free, but will live by donations.( maby it is not for awrybody but i like it).
But maby thouse devils in goverment are looking to find a way even to charge taxes for free music too or maby the goverment have to aprove my desigen to distribute my music for free or i need to get aproval from goverment to accept donations.
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[SanderXpander]

I don't know about UK but here in Holland, pretty much every musician who is serious enough to charge for his music is VAT registered. Perhaps because our VAT free threshold is much lower (1345e in VAT, so it depends on the rate of VAT when you hit that).

Also, on my tax form, I only have to fill out "foreign VAT", not specify by country. So not a whole lot would change for me, except if I were selling digital downloads via my own website where I would then have to calculate by country I suppose. Services like iTunes and Spotify take care of this altogether.

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[Kontrol49]

Ooh dear it seems the Taxman has realised there are people they haven't fleeced yet..

Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank!!!

Give a man a bank and he can rob the world!!
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[Kevin Nolan]

What I find deplorable about this is not the nature of the tax, or even the massive inconvenience; but the inconsistency on how they view commercial business in the digital domain.

On the one hand, legislators (European, US and beyond) are scared to regulate blatant theft of digital content, confusing the issue with "freedom of speech" because of the pressure they experience from massive (false) lobbying by a weird mixture of anarchist-groups and the likes of Google and Youtube - the upshot being that we're breeding a generation who can identify no commercial value in music, film, books and news; while here the EU find it totally achievable to target those making a miserable living from such content through increasingly challenging times.

Millions are allowed steal content; those generating it have to shoulder the financial burden!

I just saw an ad by HP for their new line of laptops promoting 1.5 TB of storage for all your "music, films and photos". The question is - where are the films and music content coming from?

I'd happily pay all the taxes the EU demand if we lived in a world where the rules of business followed since the dawn of civilisation were applied to the digital content world too; because there's an increased chance I'd actually earn some money from my music (all quality of my music issues notwithstanding !!). We're not living in that world any more, and not because people don't value music or the means to charge for it can't be implemented - but because the likes of the EU are too cowardly to implement smart legislation that protects digital content without impeding freedom of speech and anarchist based innovation.

[SanderXpander]

While I agree that the scale of music and movie piracy is unprecedented, people have been copying that stuff from their mates since forever. Statistics show that the most fervent downloaders also are some of the highest paying customers of digital content. In many cases, it's more a matter of convenience and availability than an unwillingness to pay. I used to download. Now I have paid Spotify and Netflix accounts. The only time I download anything is when I have to learn a Rihanna song because she's not on Spotify and I'm sure not going to buy that just for the one gig.

Perhaps it used to be easy to make big money with your first album, as a band. I wasn't around during those times. My guess is that the record label took huge cuts out of that. What I do know is that an internationally successful artist like Stromae recorded and mixed his album in his bedroom. I know it's not only possible but easy to put your own music on iTunes and Spotify, and social media and the internet in general have made it feasible for the individual artist to reach a global market.

It's a changing world for sure, and I realize that the people who worked the old system are mostly pissed about it. But I don't think it's all negative. We will have to see where we are in ten or twenty years.

[Kevin Nolan]

I don't agree. The scale of theft is unprecedented in the digital age. It wasn't the same before. People did not walk into record shops and steal music.

I also believe people want to pay for music they value - to support it, but the mechanisms to pay are not there because ISPs and the few monopolies like YouTube will not implement it. Those organisations are content for people to come to their sites to access quality of the content, and then make money from ads.

So I believe it's a monopoly situation by a very few companies like YouTube, Google and a few others who are the real problem.


You only have to look at a group of people standing around a student string quartet busking and playing classical standards we've all heard before, yet the willingness of people to throw Euros into their violin cases, to realise that people are descent and will pay.

It's not convenience that causes people not to pay - convenience provides access - but if there was a reasonable tariff, people would pay.

I have hope for the future. It can't be that music will remain free to access. I also believe the likes of Spotify will disappear because they pay artists nothing and artists will tire of them and move on - there's nothing in it for th artist (exposure's not enough). But it'll take breaking up the monopolies also - and in this, ironically, the EU are leading the way - as exemplified by their requesting the Google be broken up.

Once the US Congress look for Google to be broken up (and then eventually will as they did with Bell Systems an in deed AT&T; then common sense will begin to come back into the digital domain and people will find realistic mechanisms to value, and charge for digital content.

The alternative is that music, films, games, books and news will no longer be possible to generate the way they currently are - perhaps that's OK too for future generations who'll value other things instead.

[BobTheDog]

There is of course a benefit from being VAT registered in that you can claim back any VAT spent on any products/services purchased that are used in producing the product/service you sell.

[seanL]

So sad. It's all about "the skim".

You have producers and you have leach f***s

Every year hundreds of thousands of young adults graduate from schools with no other desire than to be leach f***s. They do not produce. They are the predator class of humans.

Musicians produce.

Musicians toil over sounds, they already pay taxes on the equipment that they purchase. They pay taxes on the electricity that they use to produce music in the instances where the sounds are non acoustic. They pay taxes on every aspect of the goods and services all along the way and this is just one more assault by the non producers to ride on the coat tails of producers like a lamprey or suckerfish.

If I spend years crafting an album why on Gods green earth should I NOT be able to sell my product which I have ALREADY paid a boat load of taxes on (to produce) to the end user without it being stepped on one more time?
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[NuSkoolTone]

As an American, I'm completely ignorant of VAT. Perhaps it's time to start pushing a new currency like bitcoin and cut out the middle man altogether! Internet taxes are nothing but a scam.
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