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Korg Kross and combinations/muting

 
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aron
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:57 pm    Post subject: Korg Kross and combinations/muting Reply with quote

Is there a way to create a combination of say 4 sounds, then quickly mute/unmute parts like I can on my Kronos?
I need another keyboard to put through baggage that won't get absolutely KILLED like my PC361.
So I am looking at the Kross and the MX61.

And tell me, how bad is the keybed???
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you get familiar with using the keybed it can be somewhat expressive, but until you do, it seems pretty 'wrong.'

I think there was a thread a few months ago where someone was trying to get easy mutes set up, but there wasn't a way to do it as easy as, say, on a Motif with Sequencer Tracks.

Turning Arpeggiator on and off, the Drum Part on and off, the Step Sequencer on and off; using the 16 Favorite buttons, quickly switching between Prog Combi and Favorite modes, are the '1 button solutions' available on a Kross. The Kross also remembers the last choice in each of its categories - but with the knob, you have to be careful to flick it the right number of clicks, so that's not a rock solid way to instantly change one configuration to another config.

There are some really cool grooves in Combis that use the Arp and Drum Part - hipper musically, IMO, than on a VR-09 for example. The Kross also blends real well into a live situation, yet can jump to the front of the sound field when you want it to. Those are its virtues, plus the miraculous weight of the thing! But it's not everything you might want in an instrument. Still, the best for the weight, I'd say.

PS: There are Solo and Mute controls, but not all on one screen.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use a tablet application as MidiCommander for Android... and programming buttons to send SysEx events.
The only problem here: understand the manual part which explains SysEx format for the Kross !!!
You can obtain a full control on any parameters... in real time (if compatible with the hardware).

I will try it if I have some time to spend.

The keybed is not so bad, better than Yamaha MX,MOX,MOXF for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I just need a light keyboard that won't get killed when it gets dropped with my SKB case. You guys gotta see what happened to my PC361. It's criminal.

Anyway, will probably pick up the Kross soon. I like the way it sounds and I like lots of the features. Was going to check out the MX61 but gave up when I heard it can only play 2 sounds at once. I guess I could get another used keyboard but I like the light weight of the Kross. Used to have a Juno D and it sounded good with the piano card, but the rest of it was not good.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are wrong with the MX61.
You can build combi using 16parts using the external software: it is not possible to program a complex combi with the embedded firmware, but you can program what you want with the PC/MAC software.

And The MX61 has a very interesting feature that Kross does not have (and it is a shame): you can change your sound by pressing any of 16 buttons without stopping the sound which is actually playing. With the Kross changing a sound in live, cut the sound for the new one... in the MX61 you can change the channel used by the sound engine using the 16 buttons... no cut !
It is a shame for Korg, because the Kros has 16 buttons which are very poorly used (for programing step sequencer, and for favorites which is useless in a live context considering the way they choose to implement this feature... Yamaha uses a Pro approach and Korg has prefered a toy approach).

But the MX61 has no sequencer, no programing arpegiator or drumtrack, no audio recording, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you can build a multi with your programs with an external computer and it is saved in internal memory? Still not as good being able to do so on the keyboard.

Yes, I know about the non-cutoff, but of course, it is selecting sounds in a multi. Does the Kross cut off when soloing sounds in a combination?

What happens when you are playing a pad in the multi - hold the sustain down, then select another piano sound in another channel? What happens to the pad?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aron wrote:
Does the Kross cut off when soloing sounds in a combination?

What happens when you are playing a pad in the multi - hold the sustain down, then select another piano sound in another channel? What happens to the pad?


If by Multi, you mean in a Sequence, I am sorry to report to you that it does cut off. EXAMPLE:
1. Hit Sequence button.
2. Play and hold a chord.
3. Hit Down, then Right Arrow button (which selects the 2nd Part, or Timbre or Track.
4. Notice that your first Piano chord was abruptly cut off.
5. Just to be sure, now play and hold a chord on this Part 2.
6. Press Left Arrow (selecting Part 1)
7. Notice the held chord shuts off.

I have noticed that the Kross is VERY careful about never allowing a note to get stuck: in a variety of situations, like when notes are being held while changing midi channels for example. I think this is intentional.
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