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Aziz1008 · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject:

The case of instrument could be also made from used Casio (sorry, Casio!) cheap keyboards. They usually have speakers and usb midi interface.

Broadwave · Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject:

I've got a thread over at VSE where I've built something very similar to your idea/Neko (not as good looking though), basically it's a MINI ITX PC, Firewire audio interface with additional 8 channels of ADAT, 4x4 MIDI all hooked up to an Alesis controller and 23 inch Touch Screen.

I love it as much as my Kronos... Perfect for my needs

http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79828 Wink

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Aziz1008 · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:05 pm Post subject:

That looks interesting) And what are the CPU/RAM specs?

Now I came to an idea to elliminate all physical midi controllers, which are a bit expensive and bring sofware flexibility to them - make them ALL virtual. One contiuous large control surface, made of one or three 22 ' multitouch flat and frameless LCD displays.

Even though now i got Krronos, idea of loading DAWs as presets won't go off my mind..

Each musician should not only make his own melody, sound, but his own instrument too..))

Broadwave · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:32 am Post subject:

Aziz1008 · Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 9:30 am Post subject:

Here we go, the first prototype video :

https://youtu.be/4m6Qu6h7dic

Sounds great, loads faster than Kronos. )

Boot times comparison:
https://youtu.be/Lb3fiZmdrI0

Some photos:

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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Cool! I have no doubt it could load faster than a Kronos. But to make the comparison fair you should at least load like 11GB of samples, 9 synths and a basic sequencer on boot.

Aziz1008 · Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 11:25 am Post subject:

It does. ) I've created a FL Studio project file full of synths and put it to autostart folder. May be it lacks 11 GB of samples currently, but there's expandable 32 GB microSD card full of synths with thousands of presets which, if sampled, easily surpass those 11GB )
Also, there' a famous Pianoteq piano simulator and it can update its software directly from the Internet via WiFi.
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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I just meant because specifically loading large sample libraries takes time on any system. That's not to crap on your project though, looks like a solid effort!

Aziz1008 · Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 11:07 am Post subject:

Thank you for the inspiration, I understood you correctly from the start, never mind.
I just wonder, why Kronos needs loading so much, all the 10gb streaming headers at once. It sould be more reasonable memory management to preload them when needed, for example, preload and keep in memory only 30 programs user selected last time.

Soon I'll post loading speed comparison I recorded this morning.

The next prototype is going to be a "big brother" Corei7 cpu and motherboard integrated into keyboard with fanless cooling system.

Ps. Though my PC synth is more interesting to tweak and tinker with, Kronos still beats it in more comfortably setup music environment. ) So I like them both, but this little AUMS-1 may be a bit more it's my baby))
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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

You can actually load as needed on the Kronos too. Just remove all KSC files from the Autoload menu in global. Then all programs that use samples will say "samples not loaded" at the top of the screen. You can use the dropdown utility menu to "load required samples" for each program then.

It's just generally considered to be more desirable to boot for 2/3 minutes once and then have everything available. But it's all up to your preferences really. Obviously it still takes some time to loaf the OS, sequencer and all the engines.

Aziz1008 · Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject:

Yes, you are right, I forgot it. But still, Korg could easily program things up that when we select needed program, all required samples to be autoloaded, not just displaying a message of missing samples.

BTW, my self-made synth costed me 114000 Rub / 7000 Rub >= 16 times cheaper than Kronos...) Whereas musically, it is not nessisarily cheaper that much, it may even be more valuable.
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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

Aziz1008 · Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 7:45 pm Post subject:

Boot times comparison:
https://youtu.be/Lb3fiZmdrI0
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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Personally I much prefer that the Kronos takes about an extra minute during startup and then everything is available. But you're right, it could easily be a preference setting that it would autoload missing samples when you select a program. Since I use it almost exclusively live, that would drive me nuts.

I don't understand the number 114000/7000. Why are you dividing that? It seems that 114000 rubles is around 1500 dollars. Are you saying your synth cost 100 dollars and your Kronos cost 1500? Or that your synth cost 1500 and the Kronos 24000?? Neither makes a lot of sense.

Aziz1008 · Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject:

Yes, it seems that price of hardware of my synth is 100$. 4000 rubles costed the Cube iWork7 tablet and 3000 rubles was the midi keyboard. But all these devices were sold to me twice cheaper than they cost nowadays. There was a shop trying to get rid of these keyboards quickly and they sold it very cheap by wholesale. I've bought two units.

I'm dividing Kronos cost per Aums1, cost to see how many aumses are within one Kronos. So I think it's correct.

There's a prefetch function in Windows, Kronos could also do some prefetch loading limited, say to a current setlist viewable buttons. This could be made transparent to sound generation.
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Current hardware: Kronos-1 61+1GB RAM+2nd HDD 320 Gb, Triton Extreme 76+MOSS+RAM+dual microSD to CF adapter+64 Gb microSD card, Roland GW7, Casio WK-3300, Casio CTK-631, Farfisa child synth, laptop HP Envy dv7 16Gb ram, Core-i7, 128 SSD+720 GB HDD, E-MU 0202 USB Audio Interface.
Midi: M-Audio Keystation Pro 88, E-MU X-Board 61, launchpad mini, 3 Korg nano controllers, AKAI LPD+LPK, Behringer C2000.
My Kronos wish-list: www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=661561#661561

SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

Ah that is indeed very very cheap for the hardware. FL Studio alone costs way more.