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Do you think that KORG PA4X worth buying? |
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:11 am Post subject: |
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The poll here (which I think most agree is fairly pointless) does raise a lot of questions - soon to be answered when we get the manuals.
PERFORMANCEs are gone - well, they've renamed them "Keyboard Sets" - the "PA3X "linked PERFORMANCE-STYLE" option (button) has gone but this seems to be managed now via SET lists and SONGBOOK.
Regarding the ACC1-5 mute/unmute - well I use this a lot on my PA3X assigned to a ASSIGNMENT BUTTON - I am hoping that these options are not removed from "button assignment" options.
But back to the "worn-out record" - can't really judge anything until we have the details.
We've got some pricing indicators, it actually exists, some have already touched and played it SO….
………come on Korg - these PDFs must be there already!!!
There is a lot of "operational" changes judging from the Quick Guide - I will have to establish if these suit my needs (which my PA3X does perfectly).
We're all in the same boat right now - WAITING!!!
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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In keeping with the topic title - PA4X better than PA3X for organ lovers:-
PA4X Specifications wrote: | Digital Drawbar Organ sound engine |
That is NEW - could this be more like a CX3?
Is this a dedicated sound engine?
Will we get the full emulation this time around? (C & V vibratos, leakage, Leslie cabinets, distortion etc)?
Will we now get some great presets replacing the horrid "V" organs (velocity sensitive multisample-built-n rotary effects)?
Come on - get those documents to us!!!
Oh!!!! Any news of an editor?
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: | In keeping with the topic title - PA4X better than PA3X for organ lovers:-
PA4X Specifications wrote: | Digital Drawbar Organ sound engine |
That is NEW - could this be more like a CX3?
Is this a dedicated sound engine?
Will we get the full emulation this time around? (C & V vibratos, leakage, Leslie cabinets, distortion etc)?
Will we now get some great presets replacing the horrid "V" organs (velocity sensitive multisample-built-n rotary effects)?
Come on - get those documents to us!!!
Oh!!!! Any news of an editor?
Cheers
Pete |
How about some VOX or Farfisa and other organ sounds on top of the B3? |
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nitecrawler Platinum Member
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 975 Location: from a mile high to the the AZ desert
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Bachus wrote: | karmathanever wrote: | In keeping with the topic title - PA4X better than PA3X for organ lovers:-
PA4X Specifications wrote: | Digital Drawbar Organ sound engine |
That is NEW - could this be more like a CX3?
Is this a dedicated sound engine?
Will we get the full emulation this time around? (C & V vibratos, leakage, Leslie cabinets, distortion etc)?
Will we now get some great presets replacing the horrid "V" organs (velocity sensitive multisample-built-n rotary effects)?
Come on - get those documents to us!!!
Oh!!!! Any news of an editor?
Cheers
Pete |
How about some VOX or Farfisa and other organ sounds on top of the B3? |
Those would be good as well, but a fully functional CX3 type sound engine with its own dedicated effects and control possibilities, similiar to Kronos and Oasys, would be fantastic! The Pa3xle does have a drawbars sound available on a line with the CX3 but it has some limits. _________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=807494
Montage M7, Pa5x76, Nautilus, PA3Xle, Oasys 76, Mini-Moog, EMU Audity 2000, Motion Sound KBR 3D amp, Presonus and Reaper DAW W/Tannoy Reveal 501A powered monitors |
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Giner Platinum Member
Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 1345 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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From the Introduction pages in user guide: ''plus new digital drawbars
with leakage and key on/off noises.''
I find the Vox Organ sound in my Pa1x quite acceptable - I only use it in one song, anyway. As for a Farfisa Compact Duo sound, then er, no thanks. _________________ When I nod my head . . . Hit it!
Pa3x-61, Pa1xPro, i30, Micromoog (1975) |
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zoric Junior Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 87 Location: Serbia
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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If they don't add 3 MfX per sound and sample compression ,not only me but a lot of people will skip upgrading from Pa3x to Pa4x....400Mb of memory!?i can't load my set from Pa3x ,not just because I have more than 400mb compressed samples,but I can't load my compressed drum kits into Pa4x..so count me in for the disappointed user. |
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Dikikeys Guest
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Curious as to what out there gives you 3MFX per sound? |
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Dikikeys wrote: | Curious as to what out there gives you 3MFX per sound? | Mainstage and VSTs.. Its the bane of current day hardware instruments, that they dont have the computing power to keep up with software sollutions..
Not even Kronos has this much raw power currently..
But in the end, you dont want your effects as part of the sample, you want the raw sample, and the effects being added manually to it..
I would love to see a hardware instrument with 3 insert effects/sound... But i dont think we are going to see that for quite some time, untill finally someone decides to build an arranger with an Intel i7 inside.. Its still beyound me why this whole hardware instrument world is stuck still using last centuries CPU power in €4000 instruments |
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zoric Junior Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Dikikeys wrote: | Curious as to what out there gives you 3MFX per sound? |
As you know Pa3x has 3 MFX per one performance....and one IFX....so what's the idea to add less MFX to a newer model?ok one MFX is not active when you use IFX but ok still there are 3 MFX. |
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3126
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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zoric wrote: | Dikikeys wrote: | Curious as to what out there gives you 3MFX per sound? |
As you know Pa3x has 3 MFX per one performance....and one IFX....so what's the idea to add less MFX to a newer model?ok one MFX is not active when you use IFX but ok still there are 3 MFX. |
Well maybe they should stop using 90's hardware... So they can have effects on par with current software based instruments... That restriction you just mentioned is only there because Korg italy refuses to get the Pa3x hardware up to date with other 21st century hardware.. |
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Dikikeys Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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zoric wrote: |
As you know Pa3x has 3 MFX per one performance....and one IFX....so what's the idea to add less MFX to a newer model?ok one MFX is not active when you use IFX but ok still there are 3 MFX. |
But that still isn't 3MFX per sound, is it? |
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Dikikeys Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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And, @Bachus...
This pipedream of a totally modern CPU driven keyboard has been floated for decades. No-one has succeeded, because of the unpredictable CPU draw of a wide variety of different VSTi's. Hardware at least gives you the advantage of a guaranteed polyphony and effects architecture.
In the studio, this isn't so important. Start to choke the CPU, you can simply render some of the VSTi's and effects and free up the ceiling. But live is a whole different can of worms. And, let's face it, although you CAN use an arranger for studio use, it's primary reason d'etre is playing live. This is where you cannot afford a crash, dropout or hiccup of any kind.
Add to this the ever-changing nature of computer OS's, compatible CPU's and connectivity, and the idea of designing a live keyboard based entirely on modern CPU's and OS's would be a nightmare for the developers. As soon as a new OS comes out, as soon as newer VSTi's that need this newer OS and CPU's comes out, there goes your investment... It's a doorstop. Not to mention connectivity... Firewire, USBx, Thunderbolt, what's next? Will the motherboard architecture support it?
I love VSTi's in the studio. But the idea of a keyboard based entirely on them (especially an arranger) gives me the willies Mediastation gave it the best shot anyone has currently done, and we all know what a failure that turned out to be.
I think there's a legitimate reason that hardware still rules outside the studio. Failure is not an option! |
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nitecrawler Platinum Member
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 975 Location: from a mile high to the the AZ desert
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dikikeys wrote: | Curious as to what out there gives you 3MFX per sound? |
While not a PA instrument, the Old Oasys has the ability to add 12 insert effects, 2 MFX and 2 TFX per program (sound). In combi mode, i e multiple program mode; this configuration is modified by allowing up to 12 insert effects for the total group of sounds, or less. And insert effects can be grouped or shared. The MFX and TFX at two each are shared among the sounds. Amounts of M & T effects can be dialed in (0 to 127) per each sound. Send and return. Not knowing your interpretation of effects structure, I would say this is pretty close.
_________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=807494
Montage M7, Pa5x76, Nautilus, PA3Xle, Oasys 76, Mini-Moog, EMU Audity 2000, Motion Sound KBR 3D amp, Presonus and Reaper DAW W/Tannoy Reveal 501A powered monitors |
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Dikikeys Guest
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Yep... knew that about the Oasys (even the Kronos has less, right?), but was referring to an arranger.
How much was the Oasys, btw?
$8000+ or so? LOL
You pays your money, and you gets what you pays for! |
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nitecrawler Platinum Member
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 975 Location: from a mile high to the the AZ desert
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dikikeys wrote: | Yep... knew that about the Oasys (even the Kronos has less, right?), but was referring to an arranger.
How much was the Oasys, btw?
$8000+ or so? LOL
You pays your money, and you gets what you pays for! |
Not sure about Kronos, don't own one. I purchased the 76 which I paid much less than that ($5500.00 on one that didn't even get played by the previous owner).
How about it. Are you still gonna stick with that Roland , or upgrade to the Pa4x?
_________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=807494
Montage M7, Pa5x76, Nautilus, PA3Xle, Oasys 76, Mini-Moog, EMU Audity 2000, Motion Sound KBR 3D amp, Presonus and Reaper DAW W/Tannoy Reveal 501A powered monitors |
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