PA2x voice harmony on/off missing realtime control?

[dragoncaz]

hi all, today I have my pa2x, I know the software is the same as pa800
I don't found, and thinking is missing the function for control real time ON/off the 3 voice of armony
In tha pa1x you can set on/off every of 4 voice in realtime in the main page of principal menu of micro, but no in pa2x, because in the mic control you can select only harmony on off, talk, ecc, and control the Eq.
and in the assegnable switch there isn't this function.
in the assegnable slider there are some missing too like acc/balance
Hope Paolo Tramannoni read this and can make update future
the only way to control on off voice armony is to enter the edit preset and select one of thtree voice on/off
I don't understand why there are many function that cannot be assegnale to switch, or ec5, or slider, for example I use Assegnable slider for my personal setting, but in assegnable slider I cannot use slider to control separate upper 1 and upper 2 volume, I must switch the set of slider to use normal mode (1). of course the same was for pa1x

[galettouille]

There is a dedicated switch to mute/unmute harmony.

[dragoncaz]

no, sorry, I want to set on/off single of 3 voice of harmony
in the pa1x in you open mic tab, where you can activate talk mode, set on/off effect, on/off harmony and on/of pitch modeller (if you have installed) you can set on/off every of 4 voice, v1,v2,v3,v4

in pa2x you can set single v1,v2,v3, you must go to edit preset
because in the mic tab now there is the control eq.
the problem is that you cant assign to swich or ec5

[galettouille]

Hi!
Indeed my english is poor!
I noticed that a lot of vocal harmonizer parameters have disapeared in the PA2x.

[reneNL]

Hello Dragoncaz, hello galettouille,

In PA1xpro controlling and singing with the Vocalist worked fine.
In PA2xpro it works almost the same, but few things have changed.

First I will explain how I work when I play for an audience.

I use a microphone with a split XLR cable.
One XLR output goes right into channel 1 of my mixer:thsi is the lead voice.
The other output goes right into the Korg XLR input, as input voice for the Harmony. I use it this way, because I want to have direct control of my lead voice on my hardware mixer.

I the Global Voice processor set up, I've switched the lead voice input to dry.
So my lead voice does not sound over the outputs of the Korg (in order to avoid a phazing voice-sound).
I programmed some harmony presets, which I route via the Output 1.
(The sounds and drums are on the stereo L and R outputs)
From output one it gos into channel 2 of the hardware mixer, with total control over the harmony part.

When I'm singing and playing, I want to keep my fingers on the keyboard.
I want to be able to sing parts of a phrase in harmony, and onthers not, so I must toggle the Harmony by the assignable footswitch.
Now it comes:
on the PA1Xpro the parameter was:
Voice Proc Sw. A mom
on the PA2Xpro te parameter is:
Mic HArmony level.
In that case Harmony only sounds when HOLDING the assignabe pedal.
(like a piano damper pedal)
This is the eassiest way, because each time switching on and off does not work not during gigging.
Remember to change de pedal polarity to +, when using a Roland footswitch and -/- when using a Korg footswitch.

But there's a bug, that wasn't there on PA1xpro:
When you change the vocal harmony preset, during singing, NOT holding the footswich, Harmony starts to sound suddenly. After pressing the footswitch once, it works again.

But: it is one of the many bugs that appeared on pa2.

at Korg: if it ain't broke, don't fix it: mny things on PA1 that worked, do not work on PA2

For example:
1.
Like Galettouille mentioned:
The multisamples 198 E gtr vintage mf, 199 E gtr vintage P, 190 E gtr Sberg P2, 191 E gtr Sberg f2 disappeared and there are new different sounding multisamples put in the place.
Our most loved Guitar-sounds sound not like before!!!!!!!!!!

2.
When I press a fill in or end button, it sometimes starts in the middle of an ending. Sometimes when pressing the short Ending 3, the style stops in a quarter tone!!!!! It can't be!!!! My dancing audience will breake there's legs, when my song ends at once.....

3.
Sometimes the PA2 freezes when playing. I have not had this during a gig, but about four times, when i was playing and programming at home.
It makes me really nervous!!!!
I have to swich off and on my instrument!!!!!

Now my final question:
Could we start a common bug list for Korg, in order to make them fix these things as soon as possible.

Many of us have to make money with there instruments, and they need to be reliable!!!!

[reneNL]

Indeed you cannot switch off just ONE vocal part anymore on PA2.
On PA1 you could simply mute / unmute it on the touchscreen.

I have programmed preset 1: 3 part vocal harmony and preset 2: 2 part vocal harmony.

Simply in order to sing song where during a couplet or refrain each time a second or third voice is added.

And believe me, I am just an average singer. But the Korg vocalizer really can be used in a good way. It it not a Mickey Mouse thing, when you adjust it the right way.

(I used to work with a couple of Digitech Vocalists, but Korg really sound and plays better - after Korg repair the bugs, so it can be switched like PA1)

[dragoncaz]

thank's reneNL
for my setup for example I use slider to control level of reverb and level of harmony, so I don't need the switch on/off effect and on/off harmony
but for me is important mute / unmute it on the touchscreen the v1 v2 v3

before buy pa2x I think to lose only the exb expansion, the 4° voice of harmony, the pitch correction, and some little. now I understand some missing too much.
I say good to open a list of bugs/missing for pa2x that Trammannoni can read, please Sharp open it

thanks
(for my opinion, the styles of pa2x are good but not usable like ketron keyboard, for people that not use midifile is very difficult to make all songs only with this styles, very nice, but complicate to associate a song. in past pa1x was the same. I buy pa2x only because I can use his software and sounds, and the program my styles)

[galettouille]

I think that it's a good idea to do a post with the PA2x bugs. The problem is that it will be filled by useless messages from people which confuse bugs and ignorance of the PA2x, etc...
Best
Alex

[Asena]

Hi Guys, I,m indeed about the missin sounds and Filins and more bugs, BUT....,,,, I think this first OS is just NEW, And go back and see what come out on the OS, from PA1X 1.0 To 3.1!
Many new styles, better OS more stability and much more Editings and so and so, Thats why we cant claime KORG,YET!!!
I think there will be better OS and better sounds in the Future.

I also hope the wil contunue to read this topics, couse here is the best and most useful info and ideas for the Next OS .
Best Regards.
C ya!
Asena

[reneNL]

@dragoncaz:
Indeed, I still have the PA1Xpro. I even take both keys when i'm giging.
I still don't trust the PA2 enough....during playing.

I even consider of selling the PA2, because the OS has some annoying bugs, compared to PA1 OS 2.5 (and later.

I also have the EXB golden entertainer board from Xprodata.de, and I miss some sounds and drumkits, that were on the board.
Xprodata.de is going to present a new EXB-like chip or something on Frankfurter Messe in March. When thát works, ánd the bugs are fixed on OS1.1, the PA2 can be at least as good as PA1.
Since the PA2 is a new keyboard, future OS update should make new things possible. And that's what we are looking for, new and better ways to make music.

@Alex
I understand that many members don't see the difference between bugs and annoying things sometimes due to lack of knowledge.
Do you know an other way to get improving suggestions to te adress of Korg.
I mean: Sharp, you Alex, Nedim and some others are pro-users, that really could make suggestions to improve the KORg OS.
Not with writings like: Mr Tramannoni: what the f**k, but just in gentle English.

At this time we all read many personal and many the same annoyances in different reviews.

I would like to see a buglist or list of improving things in which some moderators could summarize things.

When reading so many negative things about PA800 and PA2 lately, Korg begins to look like Ketron.
Believe me, I had a SD1 for some time. When it crashed 3 times during a one night gig I have immediately sold the thing, although it sounded quite right.

@ Arsena:
I can live with the lack of the good PA1 samples. I would be nice if Korg would get them back in a future Resource-file.
I cannot live with a PA2 that freezes, when I'm playing for an audience.
For that, I hope that Korg will supplie a bug-fixed OS very soon.

[Asena]

ELLOOO RENEEE!
Yes you are rigth about the &%(//&)=? CK words, But in the 2008 its normal, i Think, specialy when you sit down and try to make same sound in 24 hours and the KB saving ask you ARE YOU SURE, and you push YES button, but you can,t find the sounds?
Hahahahah, Yep, heapenned to me.
I stil love the KORG, And i,m 100% sure that MR trammanoni are the best person from KORG that realy cares, He helped me lot of times and he is a GENTLEMEN, So THE bad word are absoluttely not directed to him, Its only a dissipointment after 14 hours of TRYING to NOT making any DAM thing!
And there he comes, The DEVIL inside the head,
And than we say things that we dont mean, ITS NOT OK, But some times we are ANGRY.
So what do we cal this place , A FORUM, And of course here must be BAD/GOD things, This time NEDIM, Next time ME, And after that YOU, Can be angry and i,m here to help like may of us to COME YOU DOWN, I now Nedim, He can this KB,s realy god, But some times the KB, OS and things that must WORK, Simply DONT!
We are family, And in a family there is not always love.
There is Day, So you undarstand the NIGTH, There is Hate so you take care about LOVING, And there is always a sollution, So you must Keep going,
COMOON GUYS , THE SOW MUST GO ON, BUT KB; And ecuipment that we PAY a lot of MONEY must WORK also, Ar m,i wrong now<again?
LOVE & RESPECT!