decrepitude wrote:Well I'm glad I saw this.
The KP3 rocks. Period.
All the "bugs" worthy of real attention were addressed in 2.0 in my professional opinion. Midi sync is now very solid. Auto BPM? Eh, it's always a challenge to implement a sync method based on audio waveforms. Got a "Acid House" groove goin? Perfect. "Experimental breaks"? Uh, no.
Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead uses them. Considering these are unbalanced units (RCA i/o) designed for the DJ community, these two artists using them is a very strong vote of confidence.
Personally I can tell you it has been one of most inspiring and FUN devices I've owned in ages.
I think the "loop" sampling is KICK ASS. If you define sampling as being able to fire off one-hits (like an MPC) then it's like comparing apples to oranges anyway. All this crap about resampling clicks and glitches is so minor, especially considering the kind of material it is designed to play with. No on one the dance floor is EVER going to notice that or CARE.
The real question is how are you going to use it?
So many guitarists come here asking about it and I always have to laugh. Are you going to just do hammer-ons while you manipulate the KP3 with your other hand? I just don't get it. People will immediately point out Johnny Greenwood of Radiohead, but that dude gets on his knees and plays the pad (KP2 in this case) with both hands and typically is manipulating something he just sampled - often Thom's voice.
Using it in a rock band context can be really challenging - but possible. That is why that 'align' function is there, combined with diligent use of the Tap Tempo button.
I Have to Agree with everything decrepitude has said here...except of course his comments for guitarists hahahaha
I just found this thread last night and I was a little confused WTF?!?!
Where sampling is concerned (and once you have the 2.0 update) you pretty much have the best little looping device on the planet. The way the KP3 is designed, the effects portion is just gravy....but damn good gravy
"All this crap about resampling clicks and glitches is so minor, especially considering the kind of material it is designed to play with"
clicks and glitches is something I learned how to deal with when I started using DJ gear for effects. Like most here, I hated it, fought it, tooth claw and nail. then I spent alot of time listening to the very music that these devices were designed for: RAVE!!!!!!
You know what? I heard the same damn annoying clicks and glitches that came with the live looping. But these DJs were using the clicks to their advantage...this was their sound. Glitches were pretty much the instrument for the well seasoned DJ (and still is today).
So I was kinda laughing when I read this thread header about the glitches or what have you. Is it that there are alot of people out there that are like me 4 years ago converting over to the use of DJ gear for new sound, not knowing what they are getting into? Is there a rash of new users just because Kaoss just seems soooooooo cool in theory or because MUSE, Radiohead, ENO, or NIN uses it?
I use Kaoss pads in my guitar rig. I use the KP3 at the end of my chain so I can put in a little master effect and take advantage of the 4 track looping feature. However decrepitude is right in questioning why a guitarist would ever consider doing such a thing:
"So many guitarists come here asking about it and I always have to laugh. Are you going to just do hammer-ons while you manipulate the KP3 with your other hand?"
Like the above quote says, that's exactly what I do! and have been for so many years. My hammer-one technique isn't Van Halen- lickity-split either. I literally play the guitar with one hand. Another thing is my guitar is frettless with flat wound strings. these 2 combinations literally replace the need for such pick-hand operations like a whammy bar and also replicate the sound of a slide.
So my pick-hand is free to manipulate effect devices like eqs, delays, the ES1 (my first DJ toy) Air Effects (my second DJ toy). I'm a knob tweeker.
After seeing Reeves Gebreals (Bowies guitarist of the 90's) perform live with a Kaoss pad i had to have one. Reeves is phenomenal at playing one hand on the neck while his pick hand was manipulating not only a KP1 but also an Air Effect.
I guess the point of my story is that when you ask about how good or cool an effect or sampler is, it almost crucial to learn as much as you can about how the user is working with the gear. To me the KP3 replaced my Boss RC20 XL which was clunky at best for the way I work. BTW who the frak needs 5 min looping, once you pass 60 secs of looping isnt that a song anyways hahahaha...Anyways...
Now is there more to my uses of a Kaoss pad in a guitar rig? Oh yeah!
Please check out the thread I started on the subject before buying a KP3 or KP2 or a mini KP for your guitar set up.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=31033
KP3 is the best live looping/sampling device, outside of schlepping a 61 key TR workstation, I've ever worked with.
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This is the post that got me started in a foul mood today:
