When is the next update, or expansions expected?

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:14 am

Yes, the Brass/Woods EXs-3 was recently released but there is a significant difference between samples and Physical Modelled sounds. The samples still have artifacts... bips, bops, ringing sounds etc in them. The physical modelled sound is a mathematical computation of an instrument without the bips/bops making it virtually perfect. Why do you think Sina keeps making reference to one of the guitar AL-1 sounds which he swears is identical to or better than the real guitar ( sorry forgot the name of the guitar he makes reference to ). I believe a Brass/Reed EXi would leave the Brass/Wood EXs-3 for dead.

And I'm dying to see a Super/Duper Physical Modelled Piano - ala PianoTec style but better - I dont understand, Korg have been doing PM for years, how can this small company come along and develop this piano model.

There is one Piano sound in MOD-7 ( think Ski developed it ) i think its call Contemporary Piano - there is something about this piano that is both wierd and awesome lol the pitch on it is all over the place, but pressing one of the switches changes that but also makes it wierd in another way lol. If this sound was programmed to be like an actual accoustic piano you would have one great piano there.

Billy

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:19 am

If Korg did do an M1 EXi (a la Legacy Digital Edition) as someone wished, it would be the first time one workstation has been emulated by another ... that's some kind of historic moment

In keeping I suppose with Korg's 20th anniversary of the workstation celebrations.

However, it would definitely require more program banks, as the VST/AU is overflowing with Programs from the M1 and it's offspring.

Sina172 · Post by **Sina172** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:17 am

sirCombatWombat · Post by **sirCombatWombat** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:46 am

The capability to edit programs in combi mode is the number one to me!

I would also like the option to save single combis and programs to disk. And in reasonably sized files too, 2Mb for single sound is absurd.
What we need is more active soundswapping community.

Soundwise I think OASYS would benefit most from new EXf because that affects all the engines together.
Impulse response engine would be great as it could be used to simulate loads more than just reverbs, like the Acousticaudio Nebula3.

Piano physical model would be welcomed here too!

And the smart note stealing that I have described earlier, the current model kills long runs.

But I don't believe for a second that this thread has any effect on the next release, we can't magically change what they have been developing all this time.

Truth to be told, I will welcome anything they conjure up, I just love to see my OASYS grow more powerful with each update. And I love to learn all the new things, even when I did not think I needed them. I have always needed them afterwards.

curvebender · Post by **curvebender** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:54 am

billysynth1 wrote:Yes, the Brass/Woods EXs-3 was recently released but there is a significant difference between samples and Physical Modelled sounds. The samples still have artifacts... bips, bops, ringing sounds etc in them. The physical modelled sound is a mathematical computation of an instrument without the bips/bops making it virtually perfect. I believe a Brass/Reed EXi would leave the Brass/Wood EXs-3 for dead.

Exactly my thoughts!

Which makes me fear that we won't see PM Brass/Reed/Flute, because of EXs-3... Maybe they feel the need has been satisfied. That would be a shame!

I mean, they already have the basic algorithms (Oasys PCI, MOSS, Prophecy), and when you think about how they "upped" all the old ones before releasing them for the Oasys, I can only imagine what they could do with the PM stuff for wind instruments.. Wow!

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:16 pm

sirCombatWombat wrote:The capability to edit programs in combi mode is the number one to me!

Me too

So we can fully take advantage of the kind of techniques you recently you demonstrated with feeding audio between EXi. Kinda tricky to use MS20EX as an effect when you can't actually see it.

I would also like the option to save single combis and programs to disk

Yes !

And in reasonably sized files too, 2Mb for single sound is absurd. What we need is more active soundswapping community.

Yes and yes. Maybe I can help with this by getting my library to produce it's own 1 sound PCGs. I successfully did that with the Triton before. The librarian is a little broken by changes in 1.3 and I am finding it difficult to fix those (have spent many hours on it though), so may just remove the broken features and roll out a basic version.
But I don't believe for a second that this thread has any effect on the next release, we can't magically change what they have been developing all this time.

Truth to be told, I will welcome anything they conjure up, I just love to see my OASYS grow more powerful with each update. And I love to learn all the new things, even when I did not think I needed them. I have always needed them afterwards.

The EXi in particular are so flexible/powerful they really are able to go places other than specifically intended.

Daz.

sirCombatWombat · Post by **sirCombatWombat** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:59 pm

Daz wrote:
sirCombatWombat wrote:The capability to edit programs in combi mode is the number one to me!
Me too So we can fully take advantage of the kind of techniques you recently you demonstrated with feeding audio between EXi. Kinda tricky to use MS20EX as an effect when you can't actually see it.

Exactly, especially finetuning can be very laborious. And it is difficult to intuitively experiment with things.

I would also like the option to save single combis and programs to disk
Yes !
And in reasonably sized files too, 2Mb for single sound is absurd. What we need is more active soundswapping community.
Yes and yes. Maybe I can help with this by getting my library to produce it's own 1 sound PCGs. I successfully did that with the Triton before. The librarian is a little broken by changes in 1.3 and I am finding it difficult to fix those (have spent many hours on it though), so may just remove the broken features and roll out a basic version.

I haven't tried out your librarian yet, but I think it might be an exellent solution because it removes the file tranfering step from the loop too. I hope you can do both versions as I am Mac challenged. (That is I don't own one.) Of course I still hope that Korg implements the saving routines, so that people without computers can join the happy sharing community too.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:59 pm

sirCombatWombat wrote: I would also like the option to save single combis and programs to disk. And in reasonably sized files too, 2Mb for single sound is absurd.
What we need is more active soundswapping community.

I understand how this could be useful.

Here's a workaround for now:
1. Make your sound(s) as normal
2. Save the bank containing the sound(s) to disk
3. Initialize the bank using the Global command "Set Program User-Bank Type"
4. In disk mode, load the individual sound(s) into the newly initialized bank
5. Save the results to disk
6. Transfer to your computer
7. Compress the PCG file with zip (or similar method). It should compress to a small fraction of the original size.

Best regards,

- Dan