PA2X/PA800 Wishlist

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:26 am

Hi,

I saw a wishlist sticky in the M3 section, lets start something over here to get the attention of Korg, it seems to work with the M3.

Here is mine: Compatibilty with M3

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:36 am

mrkorg wrote:Here is mine: Compatibilty with M3

Do you mean that KMP and KSF and PCM multisamples should be interchangeable? I guess that is feasible but is up to the two different design teams in Korg to resolve.

Or do you mean something else? e.g. I cannot see how Programs, Combis, Karma GE's, and Styles can be interchanged when the engines are different.

However it would be straightforward to create a Karma PC version for use on a laptop running in conjunction with the Pa800/ Pa2x, although the project is probably not commercially feasible.

I did mention it to Stephen Kay who has doubts if there is enough interest. My guess is that at least a year's work needed. Maybe if someone offered Stephen $100,000 and took all the risk of sales, he might be persuaded. You would have to sell about 1,000 copies of the software at $100 a time to Pa800 and Pa2x owners to recover the investment. How risky is that?

Best regards,
Rob

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:47 pm

Do you mean that KMP and KSF and PCM multisamples should be interchangeable? I guess that is feasible but is up to the two different design teams in Korg to resolve.

Yes i mean that, i thought you knew that as well. There are many members here who want this feature, Lee, Wendel and myself to name a few. I don't think it is a problem especially when the PA1X pro/PA1x and the TRITONs could interchange KMP, KSF and PCM multisamples. The same should apply with the PA2X/PA800.

I cannot see how Programs, Combis, Karma GE's, and Styles can be interchanged when the engines are different.

No. And even if anybody was requesting that, it will never happen so long as the sky is blue. There are two markets dedicated for Arrangers and Workstations. If Korg or any company were to produce a keyboard with which has Karma, programs, combis styles etc, their profits will slump dramaticaly, It is a marketing and commercial stategy. The EDS engine is the same for both, i think you are implying they work differently.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:05 pm

Yes,
KMP, KSF and PCG (even though we know PCG will not completely come over, mabe the basics could be converted) I don't mind adding FX etc to get the sound fine tuned..

I want the sounds! Just Samples and Multi-Samples would even be OK.

YES, more I think of it...just the Samples and Multi-Samples.

Please Korg...you made PA so we cannot modify the factory samples/multisamples...we have some very bad samples in there....just let us use the M3 sounds and all will be happy! We just won't use the bad ones anymore.

Lee

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:56 am

Lee,

Why won't the PCG completely come over?.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:43 am

From M3? I would think a lot of differnces would exist?
But I'm guessing.

The PA can load trinity or triton KSF/KMP and PCG...but I'm guessing the Triton or trinity can't load M3 sounds?

Anyone know? I'm sure Rob and Sharp do???

Lee

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:05 am

The Triton can't load M3 sounds, they both have different engines. The M3 is the same as PA2x EDS while the Triton is HI.

This is my main point, if the PA1X could load the Triton KSF/KMP and PCG since they have the same engine, why can't PA2X/Pa800 load the M3 KSF/KMP and PCG since they have the same engine as well.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:33 am

Its not that easy, they claim its the same engines but in no way its the same
engine, there is grave differences in the machines that can never be imported.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:01 am

Yep, same BASIC engine...lots of different parms,

BUT, I think the basic sound programming could be brought over.
Some tweeking might be neded to get the BEST sound on the PA...we can handle that.

I would be very happy if all we got was the samples/multi-samples.
Lee

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:15 am

Importing PCGs makes no sense anyways, can be reprogrammed but the ROM
is different so even if you bring a PCG there is no use for it.
As Lee said, KMPs is what we need. I actually transfer the KMPs from M3 to PA
and it works pretty perfect...resample.

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:22 am

If we want to import the M3 sounds, in what format are they in?

Let's say we want to import a violin sound (program) from the M3 to the PA, what exactly are we importing a KMP, KSF or a PCG????????

I honestly don't think there is any difficulty in Korg allowing this. My guess is that it is a management issue, as all decisions need to be approved from the management team. It's not hardware or software related.

Nedim,

Isn't the relationship between PA2X and M3 the same as PA1X and Triton?
The fact that file transfer is possible between the PA1X and the Tritons is an indication that it could be done and the main issue here is Korg's management.

We need Paolo's input here.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:05 am

Not sure if anyone else noticed, but Nedim Basari said the way he transfers sounds from one keyboard (M3) to another (Pa2x) is by resampling. i.e. recording individual samples from one keyboard straight onto the other, and then re-constructing the "KMP" multisample data structure from all the individual samples.

mrkorg · Post by **mrkorg** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:07 am

Rob,

I think you can do that with any keyboard.

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:34 am

mrkorg wrote:I think you can do that with any keyboard.

Yes, that's the point Nedim is making, I think.

Lee · Post by **Lee** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:22 pm

mrkorg,

OK, In order to have a complete sound...You need:

1) KSF's, that is the samples themselves
2) KMP, that is the multi-sample, where you assign different samples to key ranges.
3) PCG, that is the program itself (the name you use to assign a sound to a track etc), 1 or more multi-samples need to be assigned to this AND other parms per the sound editing section of the manual (especially FX)

We need to import samples (KSF) at the very least. We can make up our own multi-samples if needed (it would be a lot easier if we could also import those fom M3)

Importing straight PCG from M3 would not help as there is a LOT of differences from what I have researched. If a conversion function was provided to bring across a PCG from M3, capturing all the parms possible that would be nice too.

That's my take anyways.

I created a sound last week end using samples and mltisamples converted from Kurzweil to Korg...worked pretty well, but have not tweeked it yet.

M3 sample and multisample import wouldbe great.

I don't know what is involved to be able to do that? Rob? Nedim? Paolo?

Lee

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