KARO future libraries!?

Tiger789 · Post by **Tiger789** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:05 pm

AnthonyB wrote:
Tiger789 wrote:1) Choir

2) Choir

3) Choir

4) Drums

5) Other

Oops.. wait, did I forgot choir?
You didn't mention Choir!

Hm.. that's what I thought

AnthonyB wrote:
Actually, I thought, with a Roland Fantomn at your disposal, you would perhaps be well covered in the choir department? (FantomG has "best of" sounds from SRX boards i believe).?

You're absolutely right. But I can never get to "many" choir sounds

-Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
--------------------------------

Korg Oasys 88 - # 002113 + Karo Philh. Strings
Roland Fantom G6 + ARX-01
Yamaha Clavinova CVP-309PE

Amps: Marshall 2205 + 2210 w/1960A cab. Marshall Mode Four + cab. 3 x Marshall SE-100.
Effects: Roland SDE-2500, 2 x Roland SBF-325, Alesis Midiverb II. DOD 250 & Cry baby 535. Wireless systems etc.
Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, 2 w/HS-3 & YJM pics. + nylon classical guitar
Recording: Roland VS-2480CD incl. MB-24 meterbridge, All 3. party plug-ins available, mouse, 22" widescreen, 160GB Backup system.
Monitors: Dynaudio Acoustics BM 6A Mk II. Samson Resolv 65a.
Mics: AKG C 3000B, Shure SM 58, AKG 240 headphones
Other: Boss DR-880, studioracks, patchbays, vintage effects from the 70's & 80's.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:39 pm

I would like to have more padlike sounds - esp. "new" Mod7 or Mod7 + other EXi programs. Of course all the other soundgroups are welcome, too (you know I'm a "devoted Karo-Aner"

). But drums are covered pretty well, Guitars I prefer the real thing over any sample/loop, I have no real need for many more choir-sounds (what are all of you doing with these?!?), well and ethno quite oftens "brands" a song a lot. So pads, solo sounds etc. using the unique EXi's would be my favorites!

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:39 pm

Personally I'd go for anything mentioned in this thread except for Choir sounds.

I don't see the point when "Symphony Of Voices" loads into the OASYS perfectly, and it's an award winning library. The budget needed to produce a library to complete with it would be astronomical.

http://files.spectrasonics.net/mp3/SOV_ ... r_demo.mp3
http://files.spectrasonics.net/mp3/SOV_ ... s_demo.mp3
http://files.spectrasonics.net/mp3/SOV_ ... e_demo.mp3
http://files.spectrasonics.net/mp3/SOV_ ... s_demo.mp3
http://files.spectrasonics.net/mp3/SOV_demo.mp3

In my opinion a good guitar library is badly missing and there's really nothing out there in AKAI land work buying. Haz Zimmer Guitars is popular, but the quality of the recordings leaves a sour taste in your mouth and generally speaking, there's not even a fully playable AKAI title to be seen.

So my vote would go for a guitar library first.

Regards.
Sharp.

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:46 pm

Sharp wrote:Personally I'd go for anything mentioned in this thread except for Choir sounds.

I don't see the point when "Symphony Of Voices" loads into the OASYS perfectly, and it's an award winning library. The budget needed to produce a library to complete with it would be astronomical.

+1
(just converted mine Symphony of Voices into my Oasys and I´m quite fine with the result)

SoulBe

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:12 pm

SoulBe wrote:
Sharp wrote:Personally I'd go for anything mentioned in this thread except for Choir sounds.

I don't see the point when "Symphony Of Voices" loads into the OASYS perfectly, and it's an award winning library. The budget needed to produce a library to complete with it would be astronomical.
+1
(just converted mine Symphony of Voices into my Oasys and I´m quite fine with the result)

SoulBe

agree to both of you

peter

Arend Groot · Post by **Arend Groot** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:40 pm

Agreed: Guitar librarie, thats the one which is missing.

Tiger789 · Post by **Tiger789** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:47 pm

peter m. mahr wrote:
SoulBe wrote:
Sharp wrote:Personally I'd go for anything mentioned in this thread except for Choir sounds.

I don't see the point when "Symphony Of Voices" loads into the OASYS perfectly, and it's an award winning library. The budget needed to produce a library to complete with it would be astronomical.
+1
(just converted mine Symphony of Voices into my Oasys and I´m quite fine with the result)

SoulBe
agree to both of you

peter

I have checked out the Spectrasonics links above and I agree that it's probably unlikely that one can achive a better result in a new edition, but you guys seems to overlook that not everyone has the same programming insight, and speaking for myself, my training and skills lays first and foremost in actually playing the instrument itself and somewhat less on the programming side of the Oasys. It wouldn't help me (the same way) to just get many CD's with "dry" samples and no PCG's incl. which I then could have edited myself from that point on.

Based on this logic, I guess there wasn't much point for Karo in releasing the Karo Philh. Strings either because both Vienna Strings, Miroslav Strings, East West etc. were all available before that and given that the samples wasn't to large for the Oasys, one could rather choose them instead.

That said, I'll be happy to buy the "Symphony Of Voices" for $500 anytime if I could just get both the samples and all the PCG's, just like Karo have prepared their Karo Philh. Strings for the end user and made it possible to load the whole library
with 2 GB RAM

-Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
--------------------------------

Korg Oasys 88 - # 002113 + Karo Philh. Strings
Roland Fantom G6 + ARX-01
Yamaha Clavinova CVP-309PE

Amps: Marshall 2205 + 2210 w/1960A cab. Marshall Mode Four + cab. 3 x Marshall SE-100.
Effects: Roland SDE-2500, 2 x Roland SBF-325, Alesis Midiverb II. DOD 250 & Cry baby 535. Wireless systems etc.
Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, 2 w/HS-3 & YJM pics. + nylon classical guitar
Recording: Roland VS-2480CD incl. MB-24 meterbridge, All 3. party plug-ins available, mouse, 22" widescreen, 160GB Backup system.
Monitors: Dynaudio Acoustics BM 6A Mk II. Samson Resolv 65a.
Mics: AKG C 3000B, Shure SM 58, AKG 240 headphones
Other: Boss DR-880, studioracks, patchbays, vintage effects from the 70's & 80's.

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:53 pm

Tiger789 wrote: That said, I'll be happy to buy the "Symphony Of Voices" for $500 anytime if I could just get both the samples and all the PCG's, just like Karo have prepared their Karo Philh. Strings for the end user and made it possible to load the whole library with 2 GB RAM

got your point

peter

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:01 pm

Hi Tiger789 & peter

You """"DO"""" get the Program and COMBI sound when you load AKAI data.

See my post here.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=42933

A lot of people don't realise this for some strange reason.

Regards.
Sharp.

Tiger789 · Post by **Tiger789** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:46 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi Tiger789 & peter

You """"DO"""" get the Program and COMBI sound when you load AKAI data.

See my post here.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=42933

A lot of people don't realise this for some strange reason.

Thanks Sharp. I wasn't aware of this. This is very interesting and I'll check it out. It means that I'll have to "sacrifie" the Karo strings (1,5 GB) in order to load the choir though. Geez.. I wish there was a "streaming samples" solution available for the Oasys.

-Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
--------------------------------

Korg Oasys 88 - # 002113 + Karo Philh. Strings
Roland Fantom G6 + ARX-01
Yamaha Clavinova CVP-309PE

Amps: Marshall 2205 + 2210 w/1960A cab. Marshall Mode Four + cab. 3 x Marshall SE-100.
Effects: Roland SDE-2500, 2 x Roland SBF-325, Alesis Midiverb II. DOD 250 & Cry baby 535. Wireless systems etc.
Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, 2 w/HS-3 & YJM pics. + nylon classical guitar
Recording: Roland VS-2480CD incl. MB-24 meterbridge, All 3. party plug-ins available, mouse, 22" widescreen, 160GB Backup system.
Monitors: Dynaudio Acoustics BM 6A Mk II. Samson Resolv 65a.
Mics: AKG C 3000B, Shure SM 58, AKG 240 headphones
Other: Boss DR-880, studioracks, patchbays, vintage effects from the 70's & 80's.

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:27 pm

Geez.. I wish there was a "streaming samples" solution available for the Oasys.

This is exactly why I just ordered a V-Machine. I want streaming without a PC and the V-Machine will give that in a tiny little box that I can integrate with the OASYS.

Regards.
Sharp.

Tiger789 · Post by **Tiger789** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:13 pm

Sharp wrote:
Geez.. I wish there was a "streaming samples" solution available for the Oasys.
This is exactly why I just ordered a V-Machine. I want streaming without a PC and the V-Machine will give that in a tiny little box that I can integrate with the OASYS.

Regards.
Sharp.

That little box is pretty cool but how powerful is it for streaming larger samples. The specs seems somewhat modest with 1G IDE flash disk and 512 MB RAM. Anyway, isn't there a smart way to "shrink" large sound libraries nowadays. For ex. it reads on Karo's website (about the Karo strings) quote: "For the same quality other libraries needs the fifth time more capacity.." quote end. So obviously there are certain methods available today.

-Tiger

Guitarist / Classical pianist
Oslo, Norway
--------------------------------

Korg Oasys 88 - # 002113 + Karo Philh. Strings
Roland Fantom G6 + ARX-01
Yamaha Clavinova CVP-309PE

Amps: Marshall 2205 + 2210 w/1960A cab. Marshall Mode Four + cab. 3 x Marshall SE-100.
Effects: Roland SDE-2500, 2 x Roland SBF-325, Alesis Midiverb II. DOD 250 & Cry baby 535. Wireless systems etc.
Guitars: 3 Fender Strats, 2 w/HS-3 & YJM pics. + nylon classical guitar
Recording: Roland VS-2480CD incl. MB-24 meterbridge, All 3. party plug-ins available, mouse, 22" widescreen, 160GB Backup system.
Monitors: Dynaudio Acoustics BM 6A Mk II. Samson Resolv 65a.
Mics: AKG C 3000B, Shure SM 58, AKG 240 headphones
Other: Boss DR-880, studioracks, patchbays, vintage effects from the 70's & 80's.

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:33 pm

That little box is pretty cool but how powerful is it for streaming larger samples.

I'm expecting in around 64 note. So if I stay away from Piano sounds with Damper pedal usage, I should have loads to work with.

The specs seems somewhat modest with 1G IDE flash disk and 512 MB RAM.

The amount of RAM is not that important for streaming. It's just a matter of getting the balance right for what you preload from RAM and what you stream.

As for the flash disk, it's too small for what I have in mind, so I'll just connect a 64GB memory stick to the USB port.

Anyway, isn't there a smart way to "shrink" large sound libraries nowadays. For ex. it reads on Karo's website (about the Karo strings) quote: "For the same quality other libraries needs the fifth time more capacity.." quote end. So obviously there are certain methods available today.

The only way you can shrink a library is to cut the samples shorter or use less of them. KORG have not given anyone access to the lossless compression you find on their EXs libraries.

Regards.
Sharp.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:15 pm

Sharp wrote:
Geez.. I wish there was a "streaming samples" solution available for the Oasys.
This is exactly why I just ordered a V-Machine. I want streaming without a PC and the V-Machine will give that in a tiny little box that I can integrate with the OASYS.

Regards.
Sharp.

Sharp - I don't 'get' what you're saying about the V-Machine' - what does it do with samples, and how does it integratre with the OASYS?

Thanks,
Kevin

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:46 pm

Hi Kevin.

The V-Machine is tiny hardware device that can run VSTi's. So by installing Samplelord on it I'll end up with a universal sampler that will load all the popular Sample formats and it will stream the lot from a disk.

It's tiny enough to sit on the OASYS and it has a learn function. So if I press the learn buttons and I move a controller on the OASYS, it will attach certain functions to that controller. With the level of support the OASYS has for controlling external devices, I expect the V-Machine integrate very tightly into the OASYS. Almost as if it was part of the OASYS.

Not bad for a device that only costs €333 over on Thomann.

Regards.
Sharp.