Ok, a few questions that i've been just itching to ask.

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:24 am

I can't for the life of me figure out a few things.

1. How can I get a drum pattern that's in 5/4 time? I really hope it doesn't have to involve KARMA, or me making a user pattern. (i wanna play Dave Brubeck's Take Five, but I can only find drum tracks in 4/4 , 3/4 and 6/8)

2. why is it that when i'm in a program like Stereo 4-way grand and I hold enter and press record, the recording sounds awesome. but ONLY on the first track I record. If I have to go to the next midi track and record another segment of a song, the piano sound just isn't the same. It's...more dry, it sounds more like the M3 piano program. Which I really don't like. idk, if anyone can make some sense of that, I would really appreciate it. It's only the piano sound I am bothered by.

3. I just got a macBook, and I need to connect my keyboard to it...do I have to get the midi to usb cable, or can the keyboard transmit midi data straight through Usb?

thanks a bunch guys!!

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:27 am

that 6 and the smiley face is supposed to be six four time. in case anyone couldn't figure that out:P which I doubt.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:23 am

Hi Jake88,

1. There aren't any 5/4 drum tracks built-in, sorry. There IS, however, a KARMA module that should get you going. Don't be afraid, KARMA won't bite you. Here's how to get started.
Go to a drum program (I recommend U-C124, Jazz/Brush kit). Touch the KARMA GE tab, and you should see "1394 Jazz Swing (all kits)." That's the KARMA module that's being played. Touch it, and on the number pad, type 1312 and then ENTER. Now you should see "5/4 Simple (all kits)." You could also find it using the category search button right above (just says "Drum"), but for this example I figured I'd just give you the exact address.
Turn KARMA on (also turn on the Latch) and play a note to start the beat. Not quite Brubeck, right? Press PAGE SELECT, and touch "KARMA2 GE RTP/Perf." On that first tab (GE RTP), look for "Drum: Straight Multiplier." Change the VALUE (the third box in that row) from 0002 to 0001. The beat should be double-time now. Doing this will allow us to make it swing.
Now, press the EXIT button. Set the control surface to KARMA mode using the KARMA button to the left of the sliders. Then, adjust the swing using the first slider. It should start to sound right at about 75 or so (try touching the Control Surface tab on the display to see what all the other sliders are doing). Once you've got it right, use that ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut to lay it down, switch to another track, and play over it. Or, once you've tweaked and recorded it, you could save it as a Drum Track.

2. Speaking of ENTER+REC/WRITE... The rest of your tracks sound "dry" because they are, in fact, bone dry. When you use that shortcut, it creates a new song with all the effects from the program (or Combi) you are playing. That could even be all 8 effect slots at once! So, even though there are 16 tracks, the ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut only applies them to the first track (or multiple tracks if using a Combi).

3. The USB type B port does indeed transmit MIDI data... In fact, that's all it does, and it does it pretty well. Make sure you install the latest version of the M3 Editor software from www.korg.com/m3 (click on "support" beneath the pic of the keyboard).

Enjoy...

-Rich

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:09 pm

RichF wrote:Hi Jake88,

1. There aren't any 5/4 drum tracks built-in, sorry. There IS, however, a KARMA module that should get you going. Don't be afraid, KARMA won't bite you. Here's how to get started.
Go to a drum program (I recommend U-C124, Jazz/Brush kit). Touch the KARMA GE tab, and you should see "1394 Jazz Swing (all kits)." That's the KARMA module that's being played. Touch it, and on the number pad, type 1312 and then ENTER. Now you should see "5/4 Simple (all kits)." You could also find it using the category search button right above (just says "Drum"), but for this example I figured I'd just give you the exact address.
Turn KARMA on (also turn on the Latch) and play a note to start the beat. Not quite Brubeck, right? Press PAGE SELECT, and touch "KARMA2 GE RTP/Perf." On that first tab (GE RTP), look for "Drum: Straight Multiplier." Change the VALUE (the third box in that row) from 0002 to 0001. The beat should be double-time now. Doing this will allow us to make it swing.
Now, press the EXIT button. Set the control surface to KARMA mode using the KARMA button to the left of the sliders. Then, adjust the swing using the first slider. It should start to sound right at about 75 or so (try touching the Control Surface tab on the display to see what all the other sliders are doing). Once you've got it right, use that ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut to lay it down, switch to another track, and play over it. Or, once you've tweaked and recorded it, you could save it as a Drum Track.

2. Speaking of ENTER+REC/WRITE... The rest of your tracks sound "dry" because they are, in fact, bone dry. When you use that shortcut, it creates a new song with all the effects from the program (or Combi) you are playing. That could even be all 8 effect slots at once! So, even though there are 16 tracks, the ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut only applies them to the first track (or multiple tracks if using a Combi).

3. The USB type B port does indeed transmit MIDI data... In fact, that's all it does, and it does it pretty well. Make sure you install the latest version of the M3 Editor software from www.korg.com/m3 (click on "support" beneath the pic of the keyboard).
Enjoy...-Rich

What an awesome response!
Thanks for that, I learned something.
Regards,

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:42 am

indeed that was an awesome response! thanks for that:)

just another couple questions:P

haha, so I think you can copy/paste effects right? can you do it all @ once? so my other tracks will sound as good as the first? cause I don't wanna go in a have to match all the effect setttings manually.

and on the midi thing, do I have to have the M3 plug-in? All I need to do is transmit midi data to Garage Band on my Laptop.

Thanks again!

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:55 pm

I guess what i'm trying to ask is how can I have multiple PIANO tracks, but keep all the effects for each program, without manually editing each parameter?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:44 pm

jake88 wrote:I guess what i'm trying to ask is how can I have multiple PIANO tracks, but keep all the effects for each program, without manually editing each parameter?

if you're recording the same piano to multiple tracks, then you don't need to copy the effect settings or add more effects of the same again, you could just route that program to the same effects that the other one is using.
so you just need to copy the settings from one timbre to another in the routing page.

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:49 pm

alrighty thanks!
i'll give that a try.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 pm

Exactly as X-Trade said, you can route multiple tracks to the same set of effects.

Press PAGE SLECT, then touch "IFX Route1/1-5." On the very first tab, you'll see the effects laid out, with that first track routed (probably to the first one). For the other tracks, on the bottom half of the screen, touch and change the "Bus (IFX/Output) Select" from "L/R" to "IFX1" and you should be all set. This is great if you're using multiple tracks with the same sound.

jake88 · Post by **jake88** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:44 pm

thanks a bunch. good information to know.

cowtothesky · Post by **cowtothesky** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:57 pm

RichF wrote:Hi Jake88,

1. There aren't any 5/4 drum tracks built-in, sorry. There IS, however, a KARMA module that should get you going. Don't be afraid, KARMA won't bite you. Here's how to get started.
Go to a drum program (I recommend U-C124, Jazz/Brush kit). Touch the KARMA GE tab, and you should see "1394 Jazz Swing (all kits)." That's the KARMA module that's being played. Touch it, and on the number pad, type 1312 and then ENTER. Now you should see "5/4 Simple (all kits)." You could also find it using the category search button right above (just says "Drum"), but for this example I figured I'd just give you the exact address.
Turn KARMA on (also turn on the Latch) and play a note to start the beat. Not quite Brubeck, right? Press PAGE SELECT, and touch "KARMA2 GE RTP/Perf." On that first tab (GE RTP), look for "Drum: Straight Multiplier." Change the VALUE (the third box in that row) from 0002 to 0001. The beat should be double-time now. Doing this will allow us to make it swing.
Now, press the EXIT button. Set the control surface to KARMA mode using the KARMA button to the left of the sliders. Then, adjust the swing using the first slider. It should start to sound right at about 75 or so (try touching the Control Surface tab on the display to see what all the other sliders are doing). Once you've got it right, use that ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut to lay it down, switch to another track, and play over it. Or, once you've tweaked and recorded it, you could save it as a Drum Track.

2. Speaking of ENTER+REC/WRITE... The rest of your tracks sound "dry" because they are, in fact, bone dry. When you use that shortcut, it creates a new song with all the effects from the program (or Combi) you are playing. That could even be all 8 effect slots at once! So, even though there are 16 tracks, the ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut only applies them to the first track (or multiple tracks if using a Combi).

3. The USB type B port does indeed transmit MIDI data... In fact, that's all it does, and it does it pretty well. Make sure you install the latest version of the M3 Editor software from www.korg.com/m3 (click on "support" beneath the pic of the keyboard).

Enjoy...

-Rich

Amazing info! You have opened up new possibilities for me. Thanks.

Question: I tried to ENTER+REC/WRITE the Karma drum pattern (1398) for 16 bars. I went back out to the program after saving that sequence and changed the drum pattern to 1479 (hip hop beat) and hit ENTER+REC/WRITE. I changed the measure to 17 (to follow the original 16 drum patterns) and recorded it. The first 16 measures were erased.

Is there a way to string together drum patterns into a sequence from Karma?

Nevermind! I just figured it out by using the cue convert to song. Thanks again for this info.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:25 pm

Every time you use the ENTER+REC/WRITE shortcut from either Program or Combi mode, it creates a new song (i.e. it changes S000:NEW SONG into S001: NEW SONG). Your first 16 bars are there on the 2nd sequence.

One way of getting around the problem is to create a Cue List (in SEQ mode, press PAGE SELECT and Cue List will be near the bottom). You can chain sequences together this way.

You can definitely still put multiple KARMA drum GEs together, though, without ever leaving SEQ mode, which will save you a few headaches in the long run. After you record something with KARMA, you can re-use any of the four KARMA engines for something else, since its output has been recorded on the sequencer track(s). Just touch the drop-down menu in the upper-right corner, and use either the "Copy from Program" or "Copy from Combi" commands to import the KARMA (or any other) settings you like from whatever Program or Combi you were using. Then start recording on bar 17.

Hope that helps.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:23 am

Sorry, I meant to say that your first 16 bars are there on the 1st sequence (i.e. S000: New Song).