Internal distortion?

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:27 am

More like clipping. I just want to make sure this is normal.

Basically, if i make say.. a pipe organ with three layers that are each VERY load, going into a few effects.. is it normal to hear a little bit of crackle? Not much, but it goes away when i turn down a trim or something (keep in mind this patch is 100x louder then any others) but none the less it still crackles whether i turn it up or down (master volume)

I'm gonna assume it is on account that on my triton/karma it would do the same thing with certain types of leads with reverb.

Thanks for any input.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:20 am

yah, that's normal. Things at loud volumes distort.

The M3/M50 would distort a lot earlier and is uncontrollable in some situations.

No worries... perfectly normal.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:29 am

McHale wrote:yah, that's normal. Things at loud volumes distort.

The M3/M50 would distort a lot earlier and is uncontrollable in some situations.

No worries... perfectly normal.

sweet! thanks for the input!
How are you enjoying the Kronos Mchale? Some of the triton stuff on it sounds even better huh?

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:04 am

See also the description in the Parameter Guide of the Global 0-1 Basic Setup page "Internal Headroom" parameter.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:08 am

Wow dan.. that just answered my question perfectly! thank you so much!
Any suggestions on where to keep the headroom?
Also, I am wondering is there is any internal VU meter like the M3 or i think the fantom G. that would be good to know.
thanks again!

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:25 am

robbinhood wrote:Wow dan.. that just answered my question perfectly! thank you so much!
Any suggestions on where to keep the headroom?
Also, I am wondering is there is any internal VU meter like the M3 or i think the fantom G. that would be good to know.
thanks again!

I keep the headroom at the max setting of +48.

I agree that it would be nice to have a dedicated meter. When I need one, I just temporarily put down a Stereo Mastering Limiter, which has nice metering. Mostly, I just listen - and if it distorts, I turn down the volume somewhere in the digital domain (not the main volume knob). The floating-point signal path is quite forgiving as far as gain-staging goes.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:38 am

danatkorg wrote:
robbinhood wrote:Wow dan.. that just answered my question perfectly! thank you so much!
Any suggestions on where to keep the headroom?
Also, I am wondering is there is any internal VU meter like the M3 or i think the fantom G. that would be good to know.
thanks again!
I keep the headroom at the max setting of +48.

I agree that it would be nice to have a dedicated meter. When I need one, I just temporarily put down a Stereo Mastering Limiter, which has nice metering. Mostly, I just listen - and if it distorts, I turn down the volume somewhere in the digital domain (not the main volume knob). The floating-point signal path is quite forgiving as far as gain-staging goes.

very good idea! Usually in mastering effects i just use the O-verb (which is seriously, the best reverb ive heard... I like it better then the lexicons!) so i think i can sacrifice one for a limiter to get that meter.

could you by any chance tell me how to make the limiter not do anything besides give me a meter? Sometimes i use a limiter to give a gain boost to really quiet sounds, and i just turn the ratio (i think the ratio, by default its -25db though) and raise it up to 0 and then mess with the gain adjust. and to me it sounds like its just doing a gain boost. am I right? or is there another way to make it not do anything but gain adjust?

I appreciate all the help i've gotten from you and other korg affiliates, youre the man! thanks!

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:34 am

if you want the limiter to do nothing to the signal then make the raito 1:1 and threshold 0.

Also Lexicon > O-Verb! The O-Verb is pretty good but man you cant even compare.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:37 am

plisken wrote: Also Lexicon > O-Verb! The O-Verb is pretty good but man you cant even compare.

Meh.. got it on Logic, i liked my lead better through the O-verb. but the lexicon is a close second

plisken · Post by **plisken** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:40 am

oh dude the lexicon reverb isnt exactly meant for that kind of reverb, though with enough tweaking it could be. The O-verb will be better for your lead for sure.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:41 am

plisken wrote:oh dude the lexicon reverb isnt exactly meant for that kind of reverb, though with enough tweaking it could be. The O-verb will be better for your lead for sure.

yerp!

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:19 am

robbinhood wrote:
could you by any chance tell me how to make the limiter not do anything besides give me a meter?

Sure - use Bypass. The meter will still work.

- Dan

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:14 am

danatkorg wrote:
robbinhood wrote:
could you by any chance tell me how to make the limiter not do anything besides give me a meter?
Sure - use Bypass. The meter will still work.

- Dan

Well.. dont i feel dumb now...

thanks!