So get the board in unpack it, and since its SN#3971 it supposed to be the completely up to date one. Everything seams fine, the internal noise issues is much better, still not as good as the one I played at Namm. But then again my setting are at -5db not -25 db now so that is a plus. HOW EVER I feel something is different with this new board. They key bed defiantly functions differently then my first one. Maybe its a bit heavier? it just does not have as smooth of a feel as my last one did. How ever my last one did the note skipping and tippling this does not. But it does not feel as smooth is the best way I can put it. On my old one I could be VERY soft and it would react as it should. With this when I play very soft it does not seam to pick up some of the notes. Also the interface seams very different, yes I never upgraded my old one to the new IO, so that could be it. But the sounds and navigation of the board seam different. My old one had more of a natural sound and feel, this one is more processed and just I don't know it is just not matching with me yet. Did something major change inside the board when they switched manufactures? Anyone play the very first rev and the recent who can many clarify what I am experiencing?
The sounds sound different, that is a noticeable difference from the 2 boards. Am I going crazy here?
Just got my replacement K88 SN 3971 to replace my SN#1476
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I don't know about "processed versus natural, but any different responding keybed will alter samples with a lot of dynamic layering pretty significantly. I always noticed this between my weighted and unweighted playing the same sounds, but that would just be an extreme.
Not to digress, but it's an interesting psych/perception connection between the board and it's response and a sound set. I swear to you that Alicia's Keys (software piano) is significantly more engaging and dynamic played with the Kronos keybed than my old Kurzweil.
As a guitar player, I refuse to put anything digital into my signal...not for tonal reasons, but because the 1-2ms minimum of A/D/A "disconnects" the sound from my fingers.
There's a lot of minutia about these things I don't think we fully understand.
Not to digress, but it's an interesting psych/perception connection between the board and it's response and a sound set. I swear to you that Alicia's Keys (software piano) is significantly more engaging and dynamic played with the Kronos keybed than my old Kurzweil.
As a guitar player, I refuse to put anything digital into my signal...not for tonal reasons, but because the 1-2ms minimum of A/D/A "disconnects" the sound from my fingers.
There's a lot of minutia about these things I don't think we fully understand.
My original 88 was serial 2865
It had very textured black keys and part of me preferred the feel of my 88 Triton Extreem
My replacement is serial no 3573 and its completely different. I love this keyboard and one of the things I noticed was how much quieter I could play, seems to be a much greater range for hardly pressing at all to get a whisper quiet note to pressing hard and getting a loud note.
Had the velocity set to 9 on both.
Yours being higher serial than mine, I wonder whether you have the same keyboard as me, but got used to your previous one, or Korg introduced a 3rd type which is what you now have. I think exactly the same as you, only the opposite way around, my new one behaving how your old one did.
Both mine were os 2.02
I find your post interesting because I too thought similar things to you. Only again the opposite way around. My original one used to distort on many sounds, (talking factory default settings/presets, except for velocity curve which was set to 9 on both) and while I couldn't put my finger on it, something about many sounds didn't sound quite right. I thought it was me not being used to my new synth.
But having to get a replacement after just a week, I find my current one seems to sound totally different, same cable, same mixer settings, sme speakers etc, I don't get the distortion I used to get (not talking about organ overdrive type of sound) and the presets sound much more alive, as though its an entirely different synth.
I'm convinced I'm not going mad when I say this, the sound difference could be deemed psychological if it wasn't for the fact that the speakers that I thought couldn't handle my original Kronos sounds, handle my new Kronos perfectly.
The two I have had have been like completely different instruments.
Weird
It had very textured black keys and part of me preferred the feel of my 88 Triton Extreem
My replacement is serial no 3573 and its completely different. I love this keyboard and one of the things I noticed was how much quieter I could play, seems to be a much greater range for hardly pressing at all to get a whisper quiet note to pressing hard and getting a loud note.
Had the velocity set to 9 on both.
Yours being higher serial than mine, I wonder whether you have the same keyboard as me, but got used to your previous one, or Korg introduced a 3rd type which is what you now have. I think exactly the same as you, only the opposite way around, my new one behaving how your old one did.
Both mine were os 2.02
I find your post interesting because I too thought similar things to you. Only again the opposite way around. My original one used to distort on many sounds, (talking factory default settings/presets, except for velocity curve which was set to 9 on both) and while I couldn't put my finger on it, something about many sounds didn't sound quite right. I thought it was me not being used to my new synth.
But having to get a replacement after just a week, I find my current one seems to sound totally different, same cable, same mixer settings, sme speakers etc, I don't get the distortion I used to get (not talking about organ overdrive type of sound) and the presets sound much more alive, as though its an entirely different synth.
I'm convinced I'm not going mad when I say this, the sound difference could be deemed psychological if it wasn't for the fact that the speakers that I thought couldn't handle my original Kronos sounds, handle my new Kronos perfectly.
The two I have had have been like completely different instruments.
Weird
It could well be what you describe, but that would mean that there's people with the original contacts who were lucky enough not to experience the note cutoff who will be getting a sub par sound without realising it because korg didn't do a recall. Had my note cutoff not have materialised on one note, I would still have my original kronos with me thinking I need new speakers.popmann wrote:I don't know about "processed versus natural, but any different responding keybed will alter samples with a lot of dynamic layering pretty significantly. I always noticed this between my weighted and unweighted playing the same sounds, but that would just be an extreme.
With regards to the feel of my new keybed, its not just really noticeable from where the key hits the contacts, its the whole feel, weight, speed the keys rise that's completely different.
I'll take mine in and claim I'm having keybed issues if the new ones feel like the sv1!!
The sv1 keybed was actually one of the reasons I bought a Kronos. Dealer says "it's the same keybed"...and it felt nice, sounded better...only later did I actually directly a-b the two. The sv1 has a stiffer, more solid feel. But, then I've played three Kronos88s now, and they all kind of feel different. Knock on wood, mine being the fave.
The sv1 keybed was actually one of the reasons I bought a Kronos. Dealer says "it's the same keybed"...and it felt nice, sounded better...only later did I actually directly a-b the two. The sv1 has a stiffer, more solid feel. But, then I've played three Kronos88s now, and they all kind of feel different. Knock on wood, mine being the fave.
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I will have more information on this tonight, I am getting my buddy over who has been playing on my original Kronos as long as I have. He has not had the chance to play the new one yet, he will be stopping by on Friday and I will get his take on it.
But after playing it more last night, I am convinced the 2 boards sound and play completely differently.
As to which one I prefer that is going to take a bit more play time and recording of songs I did on my original, re track with the new listen to it a few times to see which I prefer. But this is just messing with my head hearing and feeling such major differences in the 2 WTF Korg
But after playing it more last night, I am convinced the 2 boards sound and play completely differently.
As to which one I prefer that is going to take a bit more play time and recording of songs I did on my original, re track with the new listen to it a few times to see which I prefer. But this is just messing with my head hearing and feeling such major differences in the 2 WTF Korg
Is there a way to identify the different keybeds ?
Would be interesting to learn which one we actually have.
Can't see replacements being made if current ones work properly,though,as actual feel isn't a warranty issue.....Is it..??
From a playability viewpoint,perhaps it should be a consideration,but difficult to demonstrate for replacement purposes.
I would imagine that many owners did not actually play the instrument prior to purchase,therefore,there's nothing to compare it to.
I won't go too far into what I feel about the whole keybed saga,but would hint that my opinion borders on some disappointment and...well,something else.....adding that,after all,the Kronos is a musical instrument made by a reputable manufacturer,of long standing and such problems need not have existed.
My apology for those who were not affected and are probably fed up with reading about such faults that some have had to
endure.....the "lucky" versus the "unlucky",maybe.
Oh well,buyer beware for the next time,then.
Meanwhile,I shall return to using the wondrous beast and try to forget the niggles in getting this far,with hope that nothing goes
wrong with it.
Best Wishes all.
Would be interesting to learn which one we actually have.
Can't see replacements being made if current ones work properly,though,as actual feel isn't a warranty issue.....Is it..??
From a playability viewpoint,perhaps it should be a consideration,but difficult to demonstrate for replacement purposes.
I would imagine that many owners did not actually play the instrument prior to purchase,therefore,there's nothing to compare it to.
I won't go too far into what I feel about the whole keybed saga,but would hint that my opinion borders on some disappointment and...well,something else.....adding that,after all,the Kronos is a musical instrument made by a reputable manufacturer,of long standing and such problems need not have existed.
My apology for those who were not affected and are probably fed up with reading about such faults that some have had to
endure.....the "lucky" versus the "unlucky",maybe.
Oh well,buyer beware for the next time,then.
Meanwhile,I shall return to using the wondrous beast and try to forget the niggles in getting this far,with hope that nothing goes
wrong with it.
Best Wishes all.
Actually, local tech said Korg would replace the keybeds despite him not being able to duplicate any issues on the bench.
I'd say that speaks volumes about the company.
Mine has been fine. About a year now...I've had one key periodically get "tough"...and then fix itself before I take it to the shop. Weird.
I'd say that speaks volumes about the company.
Mine has been fine. About a year now...I've had one key periodically get "tough"...and then fix itself before I take it to the shop. Weird.