KRONOS & ALESIS IO DOC Connection (USB)

[apex]

Has anyone got this to work? If so please help me with the process.

I'm trying to use the USB connection.

Thanks.

[danatkorg]

Has anyone got this to work? If so please help me with the process.

I'm trying to use the USB connection.

Thanks.

Do you mean the Alesis IO Dock? It looks like that functions as a USB MIDI device, as opposed to a host - meaning that it can control the KRONOS via USB, but not the other way around.

[apex]

Has anyone got this to work? If so please help me with the process.

I'm trying to use the USB connection.

Thanks.

Do you mean the Alesis IO Dock? It looks like that functions as a USB MIDI device, as opposed to a host - meaning that it can control the KRONOS via USB, but not the other way around.

I corrected the thread title. Yes that's the one I'm talking about. So you're saying that the USB connection can send midi data out (via USB) to the Kronos, but the Kronos can't send midi data in (via USB) to the Alesis IO dock?

So that means that if I want to send MIDI data TO the IO dock, then I have to use good ol standard Midi cables.

What about the M3... can it go both ways for the M3? (dan I'm about to send you a pm about another question)

[midiman]

Looks like Dan's right. And, it's not a Kronos issue, it's how the Alesis unit was desined. Here's a Midi Routing chart for it - http://www.alesis.com/stuff/contentmgr/ ... 31b5da.jpg

[danatkorg]

Has anyone got this to work? If so please help me with the process.

I'm trying to use the USB connection.

Thanks.

Do you mean the Alesis IO Dock? It looks like that functions as a USB MIDI device, as opposed to a host - meaning that it can control the KRONOS via USB, but not the other way around.

I corrected the thread title. Yes that's the one I'm talking about. So you're saying that the USB connection can send midi data out (via USB) to the Kronos, but the Kronos can't send midi data in (via USB) to the Alesis IO dock?

So that means that if I want to send MIDI data TO the IO dock, then I have to use good ol standard Midi cables.

What about the M3... can it go both ways for the M3? (dan I'm about to send you a pm about another question)

As far as I can tell, since both the M3 and the IO Dock function only as USB MIDI devices (as opposed to hosts), they wouldn't be able to communicate that way at all.

The KRONOS is rather unusual in that it supports USB MIDI both as a host (via the USB A port) and as a device (via the USB B port). As a device, the KRONOS supports both input and output to and from a USB MIDI Host (most likely a computer DAW). As a host, the KRONOS currently supports only input from USB MIDI devices (though it does communicate bi-directionally with those controllers behind the scenes, as part of the direct support of the pads on Korg USB devices).

[apex]

i was just watching a video where a guy was talking about the Alesis IO dock. In the video he refers to the USB output.... as a MIDI OUT...

maybe that's why it won't receive information from the Kronos (or maybe anything for that matter....)

[apex]

I am slightly confused with some of this... does this mean that we can not use the ipad/IO dock combination as a midi controller for the Kronos... meaning an app with PADS on it... could we use the PADS in the app to trigger notes/etc on the Kronos? (in the same manner as the m3 has or the Oasys...)

I know we can buy the Korg or Akai pad controllers and it would work... but what about the IPAD.

[danatkorg]

I am slightly confused with some of this... does this mean that we can not use the ipad/IO dock combination as a midi controller for the Kronos... meaning an app with PADS on it... could we use the PADS in the app to trigger notes/etc on the Kronos? (in the same manner as the m3 has or the Oasys...)

I know we can buy the Korg or Akai pad controllers and it would work... but what about the IPAD.

The IO Dock functions as a USB MIDI device. This part of the Parameter Guide includes detailed information on support for USB MIDI devices, and should answer all of your questions from the KRONOS perspective:
Appendices -> MIDI applications -> USB MIDI controllers

[apex]

I am slightly confused with some of this... does this mean that we can not use the ipad/IO dock combination as a midi controller for the Kronos... meaning an app with PADS on it... could we use the PADS in the app to trigger notes/etc on the Kronos? (in the same manner as the m3 has or the Oasys...)

I know we can buy the Korg or Akai pad controllers and it would work... but what about the IPAD.

The IO Dock functions as a USB MIDI device. This part of the Parameter Guide includes detailed information on support for USB MIDI devices, and should answer all of your questions from the KRONOS perspective:
Appendices -> MIDI applications -> USB MIDI controllers

thanks. I'll post back here after I read up a bit more.

[apex]

ok so as I'm understanding this... the Kronos ONLY supports certain pieces of equipment when it comes to the automatic mapping of the pads on the device to the pads on the Kronos...

ok if that statement is correct, then that is agreed and understood.

But what about just regular midi. But since the ipad & IO dock, CAN SEND midi data to the Kronos) can we just send regular midi data (over the USB) to the Kronos from the Ipad saying trigger x-note on x-midi channel? (so technically we could use the iPad to trigger certain notes ect. from the Kronos. (I'm asking this KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING (or believing) that we can't use the iPad to trigger notes etc, in the same manner as the pads (on screen or from one of the supported devices) is intended to work (chords, etc...)

and then a sidenote question would be this... could an app in the ipad send the above mentioned note data to trigger RPPR sequences from within the Kronos?

Thanks for the quick and precise help too. As always, I really appreciate it.

[apex]

also, all this said... using the A ports. (because unless there is a USB cable with USB on both sides, there is no way to make it work)

[apex]

ok so as I'm understanding this... the Kronos ONLY supports certain pieces of equipment when it comes to the automatic mapping of the pads on the device to the pads on the Kronos...

ok if that statement is correct, then that is agreed and understood.

But what about just regular midi. But since the ipad & IO dock, CAN SEND midi data to the Kronos) can we just send regular midi data (over the USB) to the Kronos from the Ipad saying trigger x-note on x-midi channel? (so technically we could use the iPad to trigger certain notes ect. from the Kronos. (I'm asking this KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING (or believing) that we can't use the iPad to trigger notes etc, in the same manner as the pads (on screen or from one of the supported devices) is intended to work (chords, etc...)

I just went and downloaded a lite version of this iPad app called midipads and the answer is yes. The IO dock/iPad combo will allow you to send midi information (over USB A & regular midi) to the Kronos. (I wonder if this would also work on the Motif and the M3 as well... I'm about to try that right now too and see if it works.) I'm guessing that it won't work on the motif but that it will work on the m3. (may be wrong though)

[apex]

it does not work on the M3 and as far as the motif, I think the only way to be able to use the Motif's USB ports to trigger data on the ipad (or vice versa) would be to get the apple camera connection kit (this has the regular usb (USB A on it) and you can then connect the USB B cable into the motif and BE GOOD TO GO. (this is probably the exact same on the m3)

As a host it currently only supports INPUT from usb midi devices (via the USB A ports) B port can go either direction... (with that said, maybe it would be a good or better idea to use the camera connection kit if you need the Kronos to give data to the ipad and not just get data from it. (all I need is for it to get data from the ipad) so as of now, I'm good.

I'll post back in a little bit on the RPPR function being able to be triggered via pads from the Ipad. (I think this will work too)

[danatkorg]

ok so as I'm understanding this... the Kronos ONLY supports certain pieces of equipment when it comes to the automatic mapping of the pads on the device to the pads on the Kronos...

Yes.

But what about just regular midi. But since the ipad & IO dock, CAN SEND midi data to the Kronos) can we just send regular midi data (over the USB) to the Kronos from the Ipad saying trigger x-note on x-midi channel? (so technically we could use the iPad to trigger certain notes ect. from the Kronos. (I'm asking this KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING (or believing) that we can't use the iPad to trigger notes etc, in the same manner as the pads (on screen or from one of the supported devices) is intended to work (chords, etc...)

and then a sidenote question would be this... could an app in the ipad send the above mentioned note data to trigger RPPR sequences from within the Kronos?

Thanks for the quick and precise help too. As always, I really appreciate it.

In general, USB MIDI controllers can be used just like normal MIDI controllers connected to the standard MIDI In jack. There are a few limitations (no clocks, mode changes, or long sysex messages, for instance), as described in that section of the Parameter Guide under "Limitations of USB MIDI device support."

Hope this helps,

Dan

[apex]

unless I am doing something wrong, you can not trigger RPPR from the iPad... I'm do think I'm doing something wrong because it seems as if I've heard someone say before that you could trigger RPPR externally....