Has anyone tried loading Soundfont2 files yet?

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:49 am

I just got a Kronos X today and have been hitting it hard all day trying to get a grasp of all the sounds and it's pretty amazing I must say....The thing that really sold me on it was the ability to load our own huge libraries and stream from the SSD....I'm really wanting to sample my NI Abbey Road Modern Drums Library with samplerobot and save it as a soundfont file to load into the Kronos....The reason I'd like to sample it is because my Macbook Pro chokes trying to run it in real time which makes it pretty much useless.....Anyway, I tried to load a small keyboard patch soundfont file that I made and it loaded all the audio fine but it didn't have anything automatically mapped out like it does in the Yamaha XS....There is NO WAY I'm going to be able to put the time into mapping all those samples out because it's going to be hundreds of samples with all the velocities plus left and right....I don't mind doing the release times, attack, effects, etc but mapping everything out is going to be not worth the hassle....Can someone tell me if I'm doing something wrong or does the Kronos only load the audio from the soundfont and you have to start from there.....If that's the case, Maybe I'll have to dig my translator program out and see if it can convert the soundfont into a ksc file....Thanks for any insight....moon

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:39 pm

Well I use samplerobot with SF into the Kronos and don't have to map the samples, how exactly are you doing it?

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:02 pm

Hello...First I put the usb stick in

2. Press "Disk"
3. Drive Select "usb stick"
4. Select .sf2 file
5. Append to program U-A000 (I can see it loading the sample files)
6. Go to program U-A000 and press keys but nothing sounds

Notes - The sound I tried to load is called Bass.sf2 but the patch U-A000 is called Ensoniq....I sampled it from an Ensoniq board so it kind of makes sense but it doesn't play any sound...I don't know what I'm missing....I tried finding it in the manual and looked online but I can't find anything about it anywhere.....I'm going to set down this evening and start trying to understand how the sampler structure works so maybe that will shed some light....Thanks for any help.....moon

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:34 pm

Ok, I haven't done it from a USB stick I copy the sf file to the hd and do it from there.

There was a bug in the older os where you had to save the converted sampled data and load it again to get it to sound in a prog but as you have an X I would think you have the latest os.

I'm away from my Kronos at the moment, In the morning when I am near it I will write some step by step instructions for you, maybe there is something missing.

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:22 am

OK.....Thanks....I appreciate it....I noticed it said samples aren't loaded at the top of the screen.....I was able to get into them in sample mode and get it to play but it doesn't sound multisampled....More like 1 or 2 samples stretched across the length of the board....Drums are absolutely not happening at all....I tried loading a different piano soundfont patch and it loaded the patch name right this time but it reacts exactly the same way otherwise...It seems to load the soundfont into 2 sample slots....One labeled L and the other labeled R for left and right I guess....There should be at least 11 or 12 wav files in each soundfont and many more for the drumkits....I'm not even sure what the capability is but it's got to be able to load gigantic multi velocity samples or else the factory sounds would sound just as S&^tty as what I'm getting out of the soundfonts....LOL.....I'll find the chapter on the sampler and start reading to see if I can make sense of it.....Thanks again....moon

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:23 am

Hi,

Well I just tried it from a USB stick and it worked perfectly for me.

So...

1. What version of the OS do you have? I have 2.0.6 here.

2. How are you creating the SF2 files, what settings in SR?

I have sent by pm a link to a small SF2 file which I just tested with, try that and see how it goes.

cheers

Andy

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:34 pm

Keep in mind that on the Kronos for a DrumKit you still have to map every single sample and layer after you load the SF2. There is no other way.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:59 pm

Hi Nedim,

I didn't know that, I must admit I have never created a drum kit!

So if you have a SF2 file with a multisampled drum kit with one multisample per key is it not possible to convert to a drum kit in the Kronos?

Cheers

Andy

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:15 pm

No its not, what you will get is a KMP and all the Samples. You wil have to
create/recreate the whole Drum Kit all over again on Kronos, note by note.
Now, if its Sounds and not Drums its different, you use only the KMP and thats it.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:38 pm

Hi Nedim,

Super, thanks for the info I didn't know that.

So what are the advantages with drum kits rather than just using a multisample per key as you could from a SF2 file, I know you can have FX per note with a drum kit but are there other advantages?

I really should read the Param manual

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:04 pm

A Drum Kit is a Drum Kit, you have control over every single note as:
EQ, Tune, Transpose, FX Routing, Volume, Pan...also easier integration
with projects and KARMA...i mean is worthless typing, a DK is a DK and
it should be used as one, its there for a reason, no matter how much work
it requires using a KMP for a DK is plainly stupid.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:52 pm

But if the samples where already processed, tuned, transposed, have FX, panned etc ( as they would be say from NI Abbey Road Modern Drums) and they were assigned to a particular note on the SF2 (so that the kronos didn't pitch shift them) you could use just a normal SF2 imported into a program?

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:01 pm

It does not really matter:
1. DK has its own MANY advantages over KMPs later on during production.
2. I don't think it would translate completely as it is in Kontakt on a KMP.

I mean we can go on and on back and forth with reason but the fact is that
a DK is a DK and is there for a reason, making it into a KMP you will lose
all of the advantages and maybe even have problems later on.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:27 pm

Ok, thanks for the info, looks like i need to understand some more about it, I will have a good read of the manual.

I would like to get some drums I use onto the Kronos so will have a go making a drum kit and see how it goes.

Cheers.

Andy

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:43 pm

Hello Bob....I just tried that file and it looks identical to my files and it loads the same way....I'm on OS 2.0.1 so I'll update that and try it again.....Thanks again....moon