Copying wav files into Kronos

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Not sure what you mean with this. What do you actually want to do with the wave file? Play it as a sample from a key, or use it as an audio track in the sequencer?

Probably an audio track with the sequencer. though is it not possible to do both?

[QuiRobinez]

Probably an audio track with the sequencer. though is it not possible to do both?

yes you can do both, it's possible to use audio files in the sequencer (for instance vocals or a backing track, and also you could use the same wav file in an hd program as as sample.

for instance to double the vocal in your sequencer with an editted effected vocal on top of it.

What i do is using a backing track (mostly the vocals) combined with the instruments in the song and use 'Fill and effect' samples connected to a specific keyzone.

[SanderXpander]

Not sure what you mean with this. What do you actually want to do with the wave file? Play it as a sample from a key, or use it as an audio track in the sequencer?

Probably an audio track with the sequencer. though is it not possible to do both?

Yes, both are possible, but getting them to work requires two different procedures. Just trying to figure out what you want to do and where it may be going wrong for you.

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Yes, both are possible, but getting them to work requires two different procedures. Just trying to figure out what you want to do and where it may be going wrong for you.

Well, at this point I'm basically a singer, with a 430 some song list. I'm able to pick up songs, vocally, in a snap and by the dozens. So initially I'd like to put in the instrumental track for the whole song from wav files. Then later on and gradually, I can program in the instrumentals by myself laying in each instrument on the Kronos with my own arrangement.
If I ever get as good at picking up songs at the level of quantity and quality that I can now do vocally, I'll be in music heaven from there on out! And I'll keep working at it, till I get there.
So am I doing the right thing in just copying and pasting onto the Kronos HD, and then can access from the sequencer?

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

yes you can do both, it's possible to use audio files in the sequencer (for instance vocals or a backing track, and also you could use the same wav file in an hd program as as sample.

Okay, see answer, in previous post above.

[SanderXpander]

Okay, the sequencer is definitely your best choice as opposed to using a multisample. I have never done this myself though so I feel too unsure to give you the specifics. I know that you have to "add" an audio event to the sequencer, and when you save the song, it usually saves the audio files with it. I'm not entirely sure if it saves a copy of the file or just the reference. If the former, you could probably just leave the files on the USB stick as they will get copied anyway when you save the file.

Someone with more experience in this area please help?

[EDIT]
Actually, I just found this vid for the Oasys which may be helpful;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXuqPDJCqJE

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Okay, the sequencer is definitely your best choice as opposed to using a multisample. I have never done this myself though so I feel too unsure to give you the specifics. I know that you have to "add" an audio event to the sequencer, and when you save the song, it usually saves the audio files with it. I'm not entirely sure if it saves a copy of the file or just the reference. If the former, you could probably just leave the files on the USB stick as they will get copied anyway when you save the file.

Someone with more experience in this area please help?

[EDIT]
Actually, I just found this vid for the Oasys which may be helpful;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXuqPDJCqJE

Okay, thanx for sharing that. I'm not sure if that vid leaves more confused than before. I hoping your original method or something simpler is available, since all one is essentially doing is importing a wave file and playing it start to finish, and that's all you would do in putting it on any other HD, ipod, iphone or whatever.

What I found of interest in this vid is the large pop up screen that he was using on his OASYS. I don't know why they went with the smaller, horizontal only one for the Kronos. Seems a step in the wrong direction, forcing you to often bend over and squint to see all the small print on the screen.

[SanderXpander]

Well that's why I asked what you wanted to do. If you want to use it as a backing track, isn't that exactly what you want? You could also make a multisample and play the song (or bits of it) triggered from keys but I fail to see how that would be more convenient for your purpose? Once a file is on the harddisk, you put it in a song in order to combine it with sounds you want to play. If you want to keep it super super simple you can just navigate to the file in disk mode and press the start button (the sample one, not the sequence one). That won't let you switch sounds during play though, nor apply any fx, or let you stop and continue play, etc..

The general consensus about the screen is simple; it was done to cut cost. The Oasys cost more than twice what the Kronos costs now, when it came out.

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Well that's why I asked what you wanted to do. If you want to use it as a backing track, isn't that exactly what you want? You could also make a multisample and play the song (or bits of it) triggered from keys but I fail to see how that would be more convenient for your purpose? Once a file is on the harddisk, you put it in a song in order to combine it with sounds you want to play. If you want to keep it super super simple you can just navigate to the file in disk mode and press the start button (the sample one, not the sequence one). That won't let you switch sounds during play though, nor apply any fx, or let you stop and continue play, etc..

The general consensus about the screen is simple; ....

Again, on my application on this, my first main interest is in singing, and starting off with preexisting instrumentals, and then gradually setting up my own customized drum, guitar, bass, keyboard, etc. tracks. The first gets me going right out the gate for the moment, and when the second is done, it will be like I have my own backup band for when there's a full band and maybe someone can't make the gig that night or whatever.

So yes, immediately, I just want the full song backup track, and would be looking to just play all the way thru, with the rarer possibility of being able to stop and restart it. So I believe I want to use the sequencer right?

I'm also wondering if there's a way to mute/unmute any sound from the keyboard with the flick of a button or something. Is that possible?

As to the screen and cost, well, you know the way technology goes, you always get much more for less of a similar product 3 or 4 years later. I could see a bigger and vertical touch screen as a big plus, or at least offered as optional equipment.

[SanderXpander]

I'm not really sure what you mean by my "original method". Sorry the video is complicating thing for you. Basically what you want to do is add an audio event (the backing track, on disk) and then save your song. You can add custom parts and sounds to it at any point, save them and load them back in later. The Kronos does not have the same issue with stereo files that the Oasys has. You should be able to select an audio track in the sequencer track edit, add an audio event and select your file. I'm actually not sure if the files need to be 48KHz. They do when you want to use them in sampling mode. But I've never needed to use external audio tracks, so far.

If you don't need to actually play the board at the same time and are fine with just playing the thing start to finish, you can just press play while the file is selected in disk mode (sampling play, that is).

The screen, it's been a long discussion. I don't mind it and the few times I've seen the Oasys live it seemed very vulnerable (for gigging). Would be nice for studio I suppose. Even if such a screen would be cheaper today, the Oasys was 8000 bucks or so for the smallest version. The Kronos is less than 3k now for a 61. They had to find the money somewhere. But that discussion should really be held with the Korg accounting department, otherwise we're just assuming and you know what they say about that.

PS oh yeah sorry you have mute/play buttons for each track via the control surface, though you may have to press additional buttons to move from each group of eight to the next.

[QuiRobinez]

Again, on my application on this, my first main interest is in singing, and starting off with preexisting instrumentals, and then gradually setting up my own customized drum, guitar, bass, keyboard, etc. tracks. The first gets me going right out the gate for the moment, and when the second is done, it will be like I have my own backup band for when there's a full band and maybe someone can't make the gig that night or whatever.

So yes, immediately, I just want the full song backup track, and would be looking to just play all the way thru, with the rarer possibility of being able to stop and restart it. So I believe I want to use the sequencer right?

Backing tracks can be used for multiple goals. You can use backing tracks for:
- play along tracks (where you play along withthe complete track)
- playing parts of the song you play with your band
- Addings vocals during play
- Create remixes in realtime

these examples are explained on my youtube channel in the video Korg Kronos Tutorial: 06 Using Backing Tracks

I'm also wondering if there's a way to mute/unmute any sound from the keyboard with the flick of a button or something. Is that possible?

actually there is, you can mute / unmute with a button, but also for selecting different sounds in the sound danatkorg gave a great tip in an other thread how to do this in sequencer mode. Here's his quote:

You can also use the track select buttons on the Control Surface; just turn on "Link KBD/REC Trk to Ctrl Surface" on the Control Surface page:

1. Go to the Control Surface page
2. Select the MIDI 1-8 or MIDI 9-19 tabs on the left (or by using the CONTROL ASSIGN buttons on the Control Surface)
3. Enable the check-box on the right side of the page labeled "Link KBD/REC Trk to Ctrl Surface"

Now, the Track Select buttons will select the Keyboard Track for the Song.

[SanderXpander]

Should've known Qui had a better tutorial available

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Backing tracks can be used for multiple goals. You can use backing tracks for:
- play along tracks (where you play along withthe complete track)
- playing parts of the song you play with your band
- Addings vocals during play
- Create remixes in realtime

these examples are explained on my youtube channel in the video Korg Kronos Tutorial: 06 Using Backing Tracks

Thanx Qui, I'll have to jump on that Backing Tracks tutorial.

I know you can mute and unmute different parts of a combi, etc., but here I'm talking about muting/unmuting the whole keyboard itself and just the keyboard, not the sequencer, etc. Not sure if that is a part of what is included here or not.

[ron@ronniereverb.com]

Should've known Qui had a better tutorial available

Well, thanx for all you help on that.

[SanderXpander]

Backing tracks can be used for multiple goals. You can use backing tracks for:
- play along tracks (where you play along withthe complete track)
- playing parts of the song you play with your band
- Addings vocals during play
- Create remixes in realtime

these examples are explained on my youtube channel in the video Korg Kronos Tutorial: 06 Using Backing Tracks

Thanx Qui, I'll have to jump on that Backing Tracks tutorial.

I know you can mute and unmute different parts of a combi, etc., but here I'm talking about muting/unmuting the whole keyboard itself and just the keyboard, not the sequencer, etc. Not sure if that is a part of what is included here or not.

I'm not sure what you mean by muting the keyboard, not the sequencer. The keyboard merely plays whichever track you selected in the sequencer. If you mute that track, the keyboard will not sound. In addition, you could simply not play? I must be missing something, not sure what you're trying to do here.