Enabling a program's layers with remote midi cc's on Kronos?

[William Brookfield]

Hello Everyone,

I have been looking for a way to enable different layers on my Kronos with my foot pedals (Roland PK-5).

I am presently using the PK-5 to send various midi CC 25 signals to my Kurzweil Pc3 to subsequently select different drum layouts within a single program (drum kit[rock/pop/brush}). It would be great if I could do this on my Kronos but I don't know how. I have searched various Kronos manuals for info on this. Unfortunately the supplied Kronos video manual doesn't work on any of our computers. Any ideas anyone?

P.S.

I also use this same cc technique with my pitch bend wheel and subsequent PB cc's to temporarily play higher piano octaves (4 max) and lower (-1) octaves on my PC3 piano (and then automatically spring back to my chosen home (0) octave when released).

If I could do this work with a Kronos, it could serve as a back up for my PC3 and possibly even replace it as my main keyboard.

[ed_f]

Hello Everyone,

I have been looking for a way to enable different layers on my Kronos with my foot pedals (Roland PK-5).

I am presently using the PK-5 to send various midi CC 25 signals to my Kurzweil Pc3 to subsequently select different drum layouts within a single program (drum kit[rock/pop/brush}). It would be great if I could do this on my Kronos but I don't know how. I have searched various Kronos manuals for info on this. Unfortunately the supplied Kronos video manual doesn't work on any of our computers. Any ideas anyone?

P.S.

I also use this same cc technique with my pitch bend wheel and subsequent PB cc's to temporarily play higher piano octaves (4 max) and lower (-1) octaves on my PC3 piano (and then automatically spring back to my chosen home (0) octave when released).

If I could do this work with a Kronos, it could serve as a back up for my PC3 and possibly even replace it as my main keyboard.

First easy way that pops into my head is to set up what you need as KARMA scenes and jump between those with the foot pedals.

[GregC]

Hello Everyone,

I have been looking for a way to enable different layers on my Kronos with my foot pedals (Roland PK-5).

I am presently using the PK-5 to send various midi CC 25 signals to my Kurzweil Pc3 to subsequently select different drum layouts within a single program (drum kit[rock/pop/brush}). It would be great if I could do this on my Kronos but I don't know how. I have searched various Kronos manuals for info on this. Unfortunately the supplied Kronos video manual doesn't work on any of our computers. Any ideas anyone?

P.S.

I also use this same cc technique with my pitch bend wheel and subsequent PB cc's to temporarily play higher piano octaves (4 max) and lower (-1) octaves on my PC3 piano (and then automatically spring back to my chosen home (0) octave when released).

If I could do this work with a Kronos, it could serve as a back up for my PC3 and possibly even replace it as my main keyboard.

First easy way that pops into my head is to set up what you need as KARMA scenes and jump between those with the foot pedals.

Eggzactly. This is what I do with Karma

There are a few recent ( past 2 weeks) post topics on ' how to " . Search for them

[William Brookfield]

The reason I didn't think of Karma was that it appears to be a pre-recorded backup music system and I play my foot drums live -- just as I play my piano live. Perhaps changing scenes changes layouts? I will keep reading..

[GregC]

The reason I didn't think of Karma was that it appears to be a pre-recorded backup music system and I play my foot drums live -- just as I play my piano live. Perhaps changing scenes changes layouts? I will keep reading..

within certain combis, there is a variation or some scenes that have karma drum rhythms. jazzimatazz comes to mind as a combi example.

with 8 scenes there is a variety of arpegiated type accompaniment- which can be edited/muted

[William Brookfield]

Unfortunately I am not asking about "arrpegiated acompanyment" here. I am talking about changing layouts (keymaps?) on the fly. When I use "push" the piano up one octave with say, an octave switch, I am not using an arrpegiator, I am instead changing the layout (replacing {disabling} piano note at one octave with piano notes {enabled} at a higher octave). It is this kind of function I am looking for. Perhaps the Kronos was not designed for this.

[GregC]

Unfortunately I am not asking about "arrpegiated acompanyment" here. I am talking about changing layouts (keymaps?) on the fly. When I use "push" the piano up one octave with say, an octave switch, I am not using an arrpegiator, I am instead changing the layout (replacing {disabling} piano note at one octave with piano notes {enabled} at a higher octave). It is this kind of function I am looking for. Perhaps the Kronos was not designed for this.

Easy to get caught up in jargon specific to the keyboard.

sounds like u want to create a simple combi in a user bank, using 2 piano programs edited as you want them

[William Brookfield]

Hi Greg,

Thanks for your input.

Unfortunately I can't seem to use several combies (or programs) to do this because I need to negotiate (shuttle between) them with my feet. I could use foot pedal based program change messages to access these programs or combinations but unfortunately these messages are too specific.

Increment(+) or decrement(-) messages *are* suitably non-specific but would only work to shuttle between two programs or combies -- because if there were three, I would have to stomp twice to get all the way back from patch three to patch #1. I sometimes need to shuttle between four or five foot drum layouts while performing a song. Because, I perform the drums *live* my stomping has to be efficient.

[HardSync]

The KARMA thing works without actually running any of the Generated Effects (or the "arpeggiated" stuff, as it has been put). Basically, KARMA is being used simply as a MIDI switcher by setting up "Scenes" to switch between different timbres according to your preferences. It is not generating any notes.

You can control which scene (of 8) is chosen with a foot pedal by sending CC#30 with values between 0 (Scene 1) to 7 (Scene 8). I don't know anything about the Roland pedal you are using, but from reading your first post, it seems like it could do that...

To understand what the others were talking about, read this topic and the PDF: http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14430 It was meant for the M3, but it applies to the Kronos.

I think it KARMA can do what you need to switch between different drum kits with a pedal. It'll just take time to understand how it works.

Note: You can also use KARMA scenes to transpose your piano or other sounds, too... amongst a number of other useful things. We covered it here before and on Stephen's site linked above.

[William Brookfield]

Thanks HardSync,

That sound great! I will try it out...

[HardSync]

You're welcome. Good luck. Here is some additional reading you might find useful:

Video for the Kronos on scene switching in this post: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 532#583532

Transposing using KARMA: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 765#586765

Also check out the Parameter Guide pg 1111 for all CC's the Kronos responds to.

[ed_f]

The KARMA thing works without actually running any of the Generated Effects (or the "arpeggiated" stuff, as it has been put). Basically, KARMA is being used simply as a MIDI switcher by setting up "Scenes" to switch between different timbres according to your preferences. It is not generating any notes.

You can control which scene (of is chosen with a foot pedal by sending CC#30 with values between 0 (Scene 1) to 7 (Scene . I don't know anything about the Roland pedal you are using, but from reading your first post, it seems like it could do that...

To understand what the others were talking about, read this topic and the PDF: http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14430 It was meant for the M3, but it applies to the Kronos.

I think it KARMA can do what you need to switch between different drum kits with a pedal. It'll just take time to understand how it works.

Note: You can also use KARMA scenes to transpose your piano or other sounds, too... amongst a number of other useful things. We covered it here before and on Stephen's site linked above.

Thanks for explaining that - you have exactly what I was getting at.