SanderXpander wrote:You can already use the audio inputs for this if you want to. For anything more complicated you need the sequencer but I really don't see how to uncouple playback and click from it in any meaningful fashion.
Michel, for point 6 I meant for DAW integration, not the on-board sequencer.
I don't use my Kronos in the studio much but that is at least in part because it's a hassle to do so.
Well, if you have a backing track system with the click that "drives" the metronome it would be handy.
Imagine to have your backing tracks linked to your click tracks that determines the internal clock, you can use your programs, combi and drum track at that tempo and don't have the limitations you have in sequencer mode.
Unfortunately the audio input is not a solution, for me that play prog rock with meter and tempo changes I'm forced to use the internal sequencer or a midi sequancer if I want to use programs or combis that use tempo based effects like an echo, a phaser etc.etc.
I can understand why this would be helpful in your specific case, but to be honest I don't really see it happen. You basically want to uncouple two basic functions from the already existing sequencer. If you offered those features specifically there'd be complaints over why it doesn't include program changes or IFX or midi etc.
You can already automate significant sound changes, maybe this is an option for you.
I guess so and actually, thinking about it, it would be a great feature sending program changes too
I hope the next Kronos could import .Sfz libraries. AFAIK this format is open source and support articulations, round robin and better audio quality. That would be very cool, very close to what a software sample can do.
metallo wrote:
Well, if you have a backing track system with the click that "drives" the metronome it would be handy.
Imagine to have your backing tracks linked to your click tracks that determines the internal clock, you can use your programs, combi and drum track at that tempo and don't have the limitations you have in sequencer mode.
Unfortunately the audio input is not a solution, for me that play prog rock with meter and tempo changes I'm forced to use the internal sequencer or a midi sequancer if I want to use programs or combis that use tempo based effects like an echo, a phaser etc.etc.
I can understand why this would be helpful in your specific case, but to be honest I don't really see it happen. You basically want to uncouple two basic functions from the already existing sequencer. If you offered those features specifically there'd be complaints over why it doesn't include program changes or IFX or midi etc.
You can already automate significant sound changes, maybe this is an option for you.
I guess so and actually, thinking about it, it would be a great feature sending program changes too
Dniss wrote:How can the Kronos be discontinued, it just came out! People are still considering buying this workstation. Seriously.
If need be, Korg will just use a different mobo. Not a huge task to migrate. Selling it for a longer time will help spread the develpment costs.
I totally agree with you. Unless of course they have something ten times better in the pipeline.
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Dniss wrote:How can the Kronos be discontinued, it just came out! People are still considering buying this workstation. Seriously.
If need be, Korg will just use a different mobo. Not a huge task to migrate. Selling it for a longer time will help spread the develpment costs.
I totally agree with you. Unless of course they have something ten times better in the pipeline.
A life cycle of 4 years sounds acceptable for products like this, if its discontinued then there might be an upgraded version available probably at Namm 2015... Wether this is to be a whole new instrument or just a minor update with new hardware remains to be seen..
Overhere in Holland, they are still in stock at most places, it might just cover till early next year..
SanderXpander wrote:
I can understand why this would be helpful in your specific case, but to be honest I don't really see it happen. You basically want to uncouple two basic functions from the already existing sequencer. If you offered those features specifically there'd be complaints over why it doesn't include program changes or IFX or midi etc.
You can already automate significant sound changes, maybe this is an option for you.
I guess so and actually, thinking about it, it would be a great feature sending program changes too
In other words, use the sequencer
Well...nope, with the sequencer you are still constrained to the 16 tracks ordered in that way and with the shared FXs.
You can use program changes and even sysex with some trickery.
Seriously though, it sounds as if you simply want a separate device for backing tracks and click and be able to switch your Kronos every which way on the fly. Consider a laptop or an iPad. I don't think the Kronos or its successor will ever allow completely independent simultaneously running modes.
SanderXpander wrote:You can use program changes and even sysex with some trickery.
Seriously though, it sounds as if you simply want a separate device for backing tracks and click and be able to switch your Kronos every which way on the fly. Consider a laptop or an iPad. I don't think the Kronos or its successor will ever allow completely independent simultaneously running modes.
I'm already using an ipad for that actually but it would be great for what I need to have everything in the kronos.
I don't need program change, it would be just great to have a backing track manager that links with the internal click of the kronos but you can use without sequencer so you can switch all the programs and combis you want.
Yep I know it wouldn't happen eventually.....unfortunately
The problem is you'd have to link midi and audio together which is by nature a function of the sequencer. It's less simple than you might think. But yeah it works pretty well with iPad! Which app are you using? I'm very happy with Setlist Maker, although I don't use backing tracks I do use program changes and after some setting up it's really easy to rearrange songs and sounds on the fly, away from the Kronos (e.g. in the break room).
SanderXpander wrote:The problem is you'd have to link midi and audio together which is by nature a function of the sequencer. It's less simple than you might think. But yeah it works pretty well with iPad! Which app are you using? I'm very happy with Setlist Maker, although I don't use backing tracks I do use program changes and after some setting up it's really easy to rearrange songs and sounds on the fly, away from the Kronos (e.g. in the break room).
I know it's not straightforward but nothing in the kronos is, at least for me
I'm using SyncInside that is specific for backing tracks.
Has a unique feature, for each backing track you can have a click track associated and you can route the click track to the audio output of the ipad and the backing track to the usb audio, in this way you have stereo backing tracks and stereo click tracks.
I plug both the outputs (audio and usb) into the kronos and I route the backing tracks (USB in) to the output 1 and 2 and the click (AUDIO 1 and 2 in) to the output 3 and 4
mm-pro wrote:My Guitar Center store has the Kronos 88 X on clearance. This has been historically a pretty accurate indicator that something new is coming.
I know that the new Kronos is $300.00 less than the Kronos X. If there were any new Kronos 88 X's left they would have to be priced lower than the new model Kronos. None of the major retailers have the Kronos 88X listed as available so there are probably no more of them new.
