Absolute best way to convert Keymapped samples into Kronos

[kineticsoundprism]

sorry for the wordy title and i know its been discussed before in loads of threads but there seem various methods for getting keymapped samples from other formats into Kronos.

I have most of my samples in Akai akp / s5000 format or Kontakt 3 and want to port the multisamples over into Kronos retaining loop points in audio and creating a patch in kronos to replicate the sample program i am converting roughly.

I use cd extract and extreme sample convertor and awave.

At this point its like many choices or routes and i figure someone here must have perfected the route to do this already ?

Akai or kontakt to soundfont - then into kronos ? ( audio loop loss due to soundfont ?)

Akai / kontakt via awave into triton ?

Whats the most simple way to get a collection of say 100 kontakt or akai programs and samples ( mono and stereo ) into the kronos as basic patches reading the samples they should ?

I would really appreciate some tips if anyone on what they find best and what to avoid , i found many anomalies converting the above files just between each other with the different software , loop points go missing , release times become infinite and so on ....

I want to create sample banks that i can simply share between kronos here and elsewhere and which are easy to load and i would read through all the threads but times really short here so ask straight from the horses mouth ( no offence .....i am sure theres a few people here totally on this and who mastered it.

[SanderXpander]

Why would you lose audio loops when using soundfonts? Didn't happen to me.

If all you need is conversion I've found ESC the most convenient so far. Just load it up and click convert and boom, transfer the SF2 to your Kronos and you're good to go. Besides, AWave doesn't support Kontakt format as far as I can see.

Just my personal experience.

[vipmusicos59]

Why would you lose audio loops when using soundfonts? Didn't happen to me.

If all you need is conversion I've found ESC the most convenient so far. Just load it up and click convert and boom, transfer the SF2 to your Kronos and you're good to go.

I do things the same way... and it's fine= actually I've got all my collections of samples converted to SF2 format (and loadable on Kronos as progs )...

[QuiRobinez]

i create the wav files and in ESC i export those to a soundfont and import that in the kronos. This is the quickest way for me and works flawlessly.

Alternatively you could this also in the kronos self by importing wav files and assign them to keyzones, etc. But this takes a lot more time.

[kineticsoundprism]

[quote="SanderXpander"]Why would you lose audio loops when using soundfonts? Didn't happen to me.

many thanks to everyone for the advice , the loss of loop points i think is due to cd extract when it converts to sf2 from kontakt it seems or the last version i have , its an odd anomally maybe only on my system ! Esc is fine having just tested it ...

So sf2 format imports easily in kronos and creates a patch in the kronos of that soundfont ? wondering what the best way to handle collections of sounds is or banks or 100 at a time etc ?how do you guys organise your soundfonts once on the kronos drive ? into folders and then import them as one bulk lot or do you create some other type file for the entire collection? i tend to create large bands of sounds like ' lead ' , bells etc and then load them in my kurzweil and akai s6000 like that for session and wondered what the best way to attack this in kronos is , project files i guess.

Do you find the Sf2 formats envelopes and loop points translate well ?had one hell of a time converting some old roland factory sounds to sf2 a while back with everything endeding up with infinite sustain ! .....

[Ojustaboo]

i create the wav files and in ESC i export those to a soundfont and import that in the kronos. This is the quickest way for me and works flawlessly.

Alternatively you could this also in the kronos self by importing wav files and assign them to keyzones, etc. But this takes a lot more time.

I get "Sample to Patch conversion is not supported yet" when I try this?

I select "source format" as Wave

I then select the directory with all my wav files in.

I then set up the looping.

Each wav file plays back and loops perfectly.

But I'm stuck at that point.

Ideally what I'd like to do is be able to do is map the wave files to notes and then convert them to sf2, all from within ESC, but just being able to convert the wav to sf2 would be a start

many thanks

[SanderXpander]

I don't think you can create keymapping from ESC, which is somewhat disappointing. What I did was either
1. Sample whatever I need to sample from within ESC (using the source: hardware option), or
2. Dump all my samples into an old copy of Kontakt (v3) I had lying around and do the mapping there. Save as instrument, then convert to SF2 with ESC.

[Ojustaboo]

Thanks.

the source Hardware Converter will do what I want, missed that option for some reason.

best

Joe

[MusicianSickness]

Im having an extremely difficult time getting Kronos to recognize AKP format. It sees it but thinks its a sequence, then fails to load.
Gonna try to convert to nki to see if that does trick using Kontakt

[MusicianSickness]

Akai s5000 is not the same as s3000 and s1000. Kronos does not support s5000.
Also kronos and other sample converters do not support kontakt 5 due to its auto copyright function when converting.
I used extreme sample converter to convert from s5000 format to SF2 format, kronos read it flawlessly.
Hope this helps somebody in the future.
Will be doing a tutorial on youtube sometime today on the process.