Can I use one RT knob for two parameters?

swarupmahapatra · Post by **swarupmahapatra** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:29 pm

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if it's possible to use one RT knob for two parameters? Like we know knob 8 is commonly used for reverb. Can I use the same knob for Release as well in the same time?

My point is, I want to assign 5,6,7,8 for ADSR. But while doing that, I saw that knob 8 is already assigned to Reverb. So, how do I achieve this?

chris · Post by **chris** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:10 pm

If I'm not wrong it should be feasible by setting each of these RT knobs as AMS source.

swarupmahapatra · Post by **swarupmahapatra** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:12 pm

chris wrote:If I'm not wrong it should be feasible by setting each of these RT knobs as AMS source.

Thanks Chris.

I am pretty new in the world of Kronos and synthesis. Will you elaborate a bit more please? What's AMS?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:26 pm

In Korg workstations, most of the time you don't really tell a knob what to do, rather you find the parameter you want to modify and you tell it to "listen" to that knob. The reason knob 8 controls reverb is because the reverb wet/dry parameter is listening to kmob 8. You can remove this by going to the reverb parameters by the way.

voip · Post by **voip** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:29 pm

Alternate Modulation Sources are basically additional to existing dedicated modulation routings. There are quite a few AMSs allowing the use of things like controllers, envelopes and LFOs to modulate Program parameters.

One control source (e.g. physical controller, LFO, envelope) can be used to modulate several parameters simultaneously and, on top of that, different AMSs can be arithmetically mixed to create new, more complex, modulation signals.

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swarupmahapatra · Post by **swarupmahapatra** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:22 pm

SanderXpander wrote:In Korg workstations, most of the time you don't really tell a knob what to do, rather you find the parameter you want to modify and you tell it to "listen" to that knob. The reason knob 8 controls reverb is because the reverb wet/dry parameter is listening to kmob 8. You can remove this by going to the reverb parameters by the way.

Thanks SanderXpander. But I am trying to have knob 8 control both Reverb and Release. Like assign both to the same knob and then when you go to Tone Edit page, it controls the Release and when you go to Effects page, it will control Reverb.

swarupmahapatra · Post by **swarupmahapatra** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:24 pm

voip wrote:Alternate Modulation Sources are basically additional to existing dedicated modulation routings. There are quite a few AMSs allowing the use of things like controllers, envelopes and LFOs to modulate Program parameters.

One control source (e.g. physical controller, LFO, envelope) can be used to modulate several parameters simultaneously and, on top of that, different AMSs can be arithmetically mixed to create new, more complex, modulation signals.

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Thanks voip. I am now trying to figure out how to do that. Since it's all too much for me

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:48 pm

Like SanderXpander say the parameter listens so multiple parameters could listen to the same control but if I understand you comment correctly you want ti to control one parameter on one page and a different parameter when on a different page. I don't think that is possible. I think it is an all or nothing deal I wonder if the vector joystick could be used as a work around -x -y for one parameter (reverb) and +x+y for the other parameter (release). Just a thought.

Conversely I haven't looked into this thought but is it possible to use a knowband say set one parameter to work below 50% of the knob and the other parameter to work 51% and up? A person much better versed in this then me will set me straight I hope but these are my two thoughts on the matter. Hope it helps a little at least.

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:46 pm

The Kronos Parameter Guide has an Appendix that goes into AMS in detail.

Perfect bedtime reading ;-)

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X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:32 pm

Easy, you can go to the reverb FX and set up Knob 8 to affect the reverb dry/wet mix, as I think it often default.

Then go into your sound's envelopes and tell it to use Knob 8 to modulate the release time too. The envelopes in the Kronos are complex and very flexible.

apex · Post by **apex** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:34 am

Yes this is def possible. Lol. Just assign more than one parameter to the specific control source.

This is shown in the first grand piano (German grand) the last knob controls reverb when you turn to the right and then chorus when you turn to the left. Dead center and both effects are turned off.

amit · Post by **amit** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:20 am

I you want as global control, then yes, however if you want local, then NO,
You cannot have the knob controlling a parameter based on the page you are on, it will affect all the parameters listening to it, regardless of the current page that you are viewing.
In technical terms;
A Knob is a broadcaster that just broadcasts its movement.
It's up to the subscriber/listener i.e [parameter ams sources] to consume/use the values how they want. Directly , for a limited amount or some computations through the ams mixers.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:11 pm

Amit nice explanation.