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After four years ,and disappointment of Pa4x, I have decided to sell my pa3x 76- 4 years old - and bought again the same keyboard,but new one Probably will wait for Pa5x . Korg ,shame on you.

I hope that Pa4x will be disaster and that they will shake their heads and have good think for themselves when they want to launch new arranger flagship.

My brain has no understanding for spending a lot more money for new flagship with LESS RAM memory (talking about 256 mb x2 on pa3x compressed) ,less performance (set list now) hardware buttons,worse button layout ,bigger BUT Comodore resolution screen... I have not heard 10x better ROM quality . If that 10x bigger ROM is a good piano,sorry Korg, only good piano sound is not working with arranger keyboard with price of 3700 euros. And the most important thing of all ,as I am informed , Pa4x is not compatible with compressed PCM from pa3x... That is unacceptable for me, because I have no time to make my drum kits and loops again from start,and my set uncompressed is about 450 MB which is more than PA4x can handle...So... if Korg do nothing major with software updates Korg Pa4x = FAIL.

Have a nice day.

vex wrote:Korg ,shame on you. I hope that Pa4x will be disaster and that they will shake their heads and have good think for themselves when they want to launch new arranger flagship.

Vex, I think you may be somewhat premature here. Those detailed manuals and specs will expose the real PA4X - whenever we get them.
The more I am seeing and hearing (although some demos are strange) I am beginning to think that this maybe a reasonable upgrade.

I hope you haven't jumped too soon…

I definitely do NOT hope the PA4X will be a disaster for Korg's and everyone's sake… I doubt it will be a disaster - there will always be some who do not like certain aspects but then that applies to just about every keyboard on the market.

I will seriously consider the PA4X when I have the REAL facts.

Cheers

Pete

Hey Karma, I am on your and Korg's side,and I am hoping that you are right, BUT - present situation is something different... What will happen' in the future, we'll see

You sold a PA3X and bought a new PA3X? After only four years?

You might consider taking better care of it!

Do you have a hard case? Do you give it a monthly deep clean? Do you have a plastic/vinyl keyboard cover (cloth lets in dust and liquids)?

I am scratching my head trying to understand how this makes sense... I have arrangers gigged daily for ten years that still look and play like new. What on earth are you doing to yours?!

I have hard case and soft waterproof case /bag, and that's not the problem... Problem is places where are gigs... Dozen of times gigs are on open fields or in dusty places, smoky and similar environment... My old pa3x works like charm, but during use buttons are not that solid like new one... Print has disappeared on some places, tempo/dial knob also not perfect and pitch bender is far from new... PLUS my sound and styles are based 90% of user styles and sounds/samples... Long editing and making everything at home for gig destroys keyboard like a gig... Exit button on my old pa3x has been pressed for a million times, I'm sure... Still works, but on touch I feel that is a matter of days for the exit button broke...etc... Much better feel playing the new keyboard than 4 years old one

Wow diki. Are you assuming that vex is an idiot?
I,m sure he knows what he is doing. Think before you post.!!!
Baz

As I said, I've gigged arrangers for ten years+, in a marine environment (Gulf Coast beach gigs). But I have NEVER used a soft bag.

I'm sorry, but things like tempo dials and pitch bend levers are things that are easily replaced. Darn sight cheaper than buying a new arranger! Beating the heck out of buttons can destroy them. Two solutions... new buttons, or don't hit them so hard!

Hard cases only... bags are just asking for issues.

No, I don't think vex is an idiot, barry... But, if I can make an arranger last ten years gigged daily on beach gigs, perhaps there's something I can offer to help him not have to buy ANOTHER one in four years time?

Tell me, barry... How long has YOUR arranger lasted in pristine condition?

Wash your hands before you play. Wipe down the arranger EVERY gig. Give it a deep clean once a month. Open it up a couple of times a year, make sure all screws are tightened up, vacuum out any dust and debris that made it inside. Cover it with a plastic dust cover every rest break (and cover it with the same even at home). Replace out defective bend levers, sliders, buttons etc. as they occur (a fraction of the cost of buying new arrangers!). Only hit the buttons as hard as it takes to reliably trigger the function. There are a LOT of things you can do to keep a keyboard running well, no matter how much you use it.

Let's be clear here... Replacing an arranger with a new one after only four years (out of necessity) is VERY unusual. This is hardly typical of most people here. So, no, he may not be an idiot. But he is definitely doing something wrong, or everyone would be changing out this often!

Bye bye diki.
baz

So long...

Dikikeys wrote:
Let's be clear here... Replacing an arranger with a new one after only four years (out of necessity) is VERY unusual. This is hardly typical of most people here. So, no, he may not be an idiot. But he is definitely doing something wrong, or everyone would be changing out this often!

Let's be clear HERE : I am not an idiot Second, I', gigging very often,and earn enough to buy new arranger... I bought pa3x 76 in july 2011 for 3600 euros. Now , after 4 years and 2 months I added 500 euros for brand new machine. That's a minor investment for me proportionally my earnings with that keyboard,so, this is much easier than opening keyboard, chasing for spare parts in Serbia ETC...

Btw,I have easy hand,every button is working on my old pa3x, I rather worry about capacitors and similar electronic inside, so, this is easiest way for me to secure my JOB ,because, my life depends of that keyboard.

Cheers.

well said vex
baz

There are many professional and "busy-gigging" players who double up on their gear.
In the days of my PA2Xpro I nearly did the same and when I got my PA3XPro the transition of all my tailored songs/sounds etc was not that straight forward so owning a PA3X and PA2X concurrently would not have been a comfortable option.

I rather worry about capacitors and similar electronic inside,

Absolutely!!! They do have a life and the older they are the higher the risk - your new 2nd PA3X will certainly have a full life….

Cheers

Pete

Save your multisamples one at a time by going in to each multisample and click the manu than save to hard drive etc. It will come up as a kpm file than just loud it into the pa4x

Does Korg thought that is all that so simple??? Like I didn't know that And what about sampled user STEREO DRUM KITS AND LOOPS??? And what about fact that I have now about 420 mb of samples and slowly rising set? And Pa4x has 400 mb? I should spend about 1500 € for new model and after that will have to make compromises about user samples??? Not gonna happen...

Take a re-read of this thread, vex. Barry was the FIRST person to bring up any insult. I NEVER said you are an idiot, merely suggested ways that you might be able to get better longevity from your arranger. Barry leapt in with both eyes shut to your 'defense' and escalated the whole thread. He is the one that said the word idiot. So don't even TRY to put that on me...

As I said, very few people here have had to replace their PA3X (please everyone note, he didn't say he was buying a new one and keeping the old one as a backup in case of problems) in such a short time frame, so I merely tried to suggest a few ways he might avoid that with the next one.

Sure, if you have the money, go ahead and buy as many as you want! I'm sure Korg are ecstatic

But overall, if you do, I'd suggest not selling the old one. If you are that busy, and your job is that dependent on that one piece of gear, as long as the old one is still giggable, it might pay to keep it as an emergency backup, should the new one have an issue...

Now, Barry... how about you simply stick to what I ACTUALLY say rather than invent stuff to escalate the thread?