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Even if you do what Jeremy says, which by the way is a great idea, your drummer is still going to have to be in sync with the timing that your Kronos is generating. I listened to that part of the song and it is the rhythmic engine that is driving the entire song. Which means everything has to base its timing on what it is doing. Including your drummer. I hope he's down for it!

Our drummer plays with a click so it isn't really an issue.

FWIW: I agree with jeremy: you don't even need Karma for this. Polysix arpeggiator will be easiest!

PS- it's called an arpeggiator. Its called a "harpeggiator" when its getting annoying!

SanderXpander wrote:Our drummer plays with a click so it isn't really an issue.

Ah, he plays in time then

Seriously, we need clicks in Welsh Floyd (and Pure Floyd before that) as the music is so dependent on tempo sync'd delays on the guitar (think Another Brick in the Wall and Run Like Hell), our guitar player swears he has only ever played with one drummer who could keep the right tempo all the way through a song without a click.

A click also allows us to add effects and extra vocals on the FOH output, and it also allowed me to add a synchronised MIDI controlled DMX light show, which once you've done one of those, you will never want to be without that again (unless you are rich enough to afford a really good lightman).

salomao wrote:

jeremykeys wrote:It seems to me that you are all looking at this the wrong way. No offense intended here at all.
Why don't you just use the Polysix arpeggiator. Set the range to one octave up or down, not up and down. Set the base note to a sixteenth note and set the tempo to what ever you want.
This way you can easily program the type of sound that you want as well if you can't find one like it in your Kronos.
The Polysix is really easy to work with.
This way you just get the repeated notes for as long as you want without any accents.
I tried this here in my studio and it took me about 30 seconds to get what I think you want.

Hope this helps!

Sorry for beeing such a noob, but I don't know hot to use Polysix. Could you give an hand here? (tell me the basic steps)

Thank you

I"d be glad to help.

First ,call up a Polysix sound. I chose U-E-009 Trance Anthem -Y. No particular reason why I chose this one.
Press the EXi-1 tab.
Press the Mod & Arp tab.
Press the Yellow On-Off button so that it is on.
In the same row, set the base note to 16th or 32nd note.
Make certain that the Range is 1 Octave,
Set Mode to Up.
Play a note. You will have to adjust the Speed knob to whatever works for you.

I have never heard the song that you are trying to play but I'm pretty sure that with this as a starting point, you will be able to get there.

Don't forget to save your work.

Hope this helps!

Jeremykeys

tomto66 wrote:FWIW: I agree with jeremy: you don't even need Karma for this. Polysix arpeggiator will be easiest!

Is there any way to feed the midi output from the arp into another program in a combi?

Try this: Select a bass program, such as Classic Punch Bass (I think it's called, in the other room typing this), and select GE 000.

On the KARMA GE Page, set Slider 4 Velocity to the top to remove any accents.
Set Slider 5 Note Range to the bottom, to limit it to a single note.
On the KARMA MIDI Filter page, turn off the CC-A checkbox to remove the panning.

Now, doesn't it just play repeated 16th notes without any accents or other colorings? On the KARMA GE page, set Slider 2 Rhythm to 12 for 8th notes. Move Slider 3 Duration to adjust the "gate" to your taste.

It seems to work fine with Latch on, or Latch off. Just play single notes and it will repeat them as long as you want. I'm not detecting any problem transitioning from one note to another, Sander. Am I missing something?

It seems to work but I think you'd have to turn off the auto panning.

Just want to say how much I appreciate the experts responding to questions here. Even though the OP's question was not one I was presently concerned with, the techniques given by Stephen Kay and Jeremykeys allowed me the opportunity to learn something new about my KK2 ... There is SO much to learn!

Thank you gentlemen!

Got a nice pulsing bass line going... using the Control Surface RT/Karma for live experimentation. Thanks for the quick Karma lesson!

So Stephen, can I take it one further? Is there any way to automate changing the pitch of the note? If you are familiar with the song locked out of heaven by Bruno Mars there is a part in the chorus where it is playing the repeated note in quarter notes and as time progresses on the pitch keeps rising until it gets fairly high, about two octaves.

jeremykeys wrote:It seems to work but I think you'd have to turn off the auto panning.

As I said:
On the KARMA MIDI Filter page, turn off the CC-A checkbox to remove the panning.

Thoraldus wrote:Just want to say how much I appreciate the experts responding to questions here. Even though the OP's question was not one I was presently concerned with, the techniques given by Stephen Kay and Jeremykeys allowed me the opportunity to learn something new about my KK2 ... There is SO much to learn!

Thank you gentlemen!

No problem!

In general, if you want to try to emulate some very simple arpeggiator behavior with KARMA, the first 30 or so GEs (with "Arp Model" in the name) are intended to be used for such things.

ronnfigg wrote:So Stephen, can I take it one further? Is there any way to automate changing the pitch of the note? If you are familiar with the song locked out of heaven by Bruno Mars there is a part in the chorus where it is playing the repeated note in quarter notes and as time progresses on the pitch keeps rising until it gets fairly high, about two octaves.

I don't know the song, but given what I've just provided about playing a single note and it repeats it, couldn't you just play the notes that you want it to ascend by, at the times that you want them to change?

Automating it, while possible, would require inputting all the notes that you want it to use, and having the GE set to play each note a certain number of times before progressing to the next note, or something like that. Doable, but probably would require custom programming with the KARMA Kronos Software.