Loading sound libraries into specific places in user banks.

[cufc74]

Hi, can anyone out there help? My problem is that I'm trying the load some newly bought sounds into user bank G but when I do this it just replaces the sounds the are already in there. Of the 127 spaces in User Bank G only the first 22 are occupied and I would like to load the new sounds from 23 onwards - there's only around 12 sounds in this new bank. Is this possible because I need both sets of sounds for a show next week? All the other banks are full of Legendary Strings and Karos Symphony Library and Unison Orchestra - I had to delete Chamber Strings from User Bank G to make space for other libraries I'd bought. Furthermore, is it possible to free up some space in the other banks because there are lots of sounds in Legendary Strings and the Karo libraries that I'd never use. If there's a video tutorial on-line could someone provide a link. Many thanks.

[jeremykeys]

First turn off the "write protect" off for Prog.

This is the tedious part. If you want to relocate sounds, you have to do it one by one. You can "write" any sound to a new location by simply tell your Kronos where you want th sound to go. For example, using the drop down menu in the upper left corner, select "write". From there you can select the destination of your sound. Now you can "init" or overwrite your orginal without losing it.

Hope this helps. Also, for this I'd recommend using PCG Tools. It's easier.

[QuiRobinez]

I would like to load the new sounds from 23 onwards - there's only around 12 sounds in this new bank

it's very easy to do with the multiple select feature during loading. I've explained it in tutorial 22.

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[19naia]

In some places there is an "Append" option but not appearing in the instance shown in QR's video. His videos are great for learning how the kronos works(helped me with the step sequencer feature).
The video shows multi select loading into an empty bank where any exapmles of append would not be demonstrated anyway.
Sounds like you tried already and the append did not hapoen automatically.
Seems like the multi select would need an empty bank, or the same overwrite and non appending issue would occur.
So it seems you would need to empty a bank and you said the bank you want to load to ,has 22 filled slots and all your other banks are also full or partially occupied.
You will have to tackle those 22 one by one it seems, to fit them into other bank slots.
Append is the option you want. Maybe its there somewhere to be found but i dont know where, Maybe It isnt there to be found. Hmmm.

Sound like you are at the cusp of no more empty banks. Wow, i cant keep up with that many sounds myself.
You will have to start keeping multiple .pcg files in disk mode and have every thing backed up over two or more different .pcg files. Then just organize the banks in ways that work best for you in rotating through the overwriting of banks when you want to call up a bank that wont fit in the internal loaded because of excess content.
You can have unlimited/excess banks of sounds this way, and instead of only switching from various banks, you will have to expand into loading banks of sounds from disk mode.
A good way to go is to organize one duplicate .pcg file, organize by deleting or initializing the sounds you dont really use or like in regular workflow, then use that empty space for prioritized stuff. The deleted stuff will still be available on an alternate .pcg file if you ever need. It may take a long time to figure out priorities with so much good stuff.
Literally unlimited banks if you go the route of keeping multiple .pcg files.
You may want to keep in mind entire "Save All" files if you get into adding , mixing up or reorganized banks of samples, wave seq, pattern and so on. Some things cant be altered on kronos, but some things that can be altered, can run a chain reaction of disorder through your programs ,combis and songs. Thats when "save all" files are the better option.

[QuiRobinez]

In some places there is an "Append" option but not appearing in the instance shown in QR's video. His videos are great for learning how the kronos works(helped me with the step sequencer feature).

The video shows multi select loading into an empty bank where any exapmles of append would not be demonstrated anyway.
Sounds like you tried already and the append did not hapoen automatically.
Seems like the multi select would need an empty bank, or the same overwrite and non appending issue would occur.

i'm sorry that the video didn't explain this good enough if i read this comment.

You don't need an empty bank, you can load any set of programs / combis at any free place in any bank. (as long as it's of the same bank type: exi or hd1)

The append checkbox is only available when loading samples in memory, that's a completely different kind of sound management and has nothing to do with loading programs. If you load programs based on samples, then just be sure that the KSC file is in the global autoload section and it will work work.

So to conclude, there is absolutely no need to save 22 programs one by one. Just save that bank to a PCG and load that same PCG with the multiple select feature in any other bank that has at least 22 programs left. Or you could even divide them over several banks. The multiple select is just a quick way of loading multiple groups of programs or combis in free slots.

Hope this helps a little bit.

[michelkeijzers]

Hope this helps. Also, for this I'd recommend using PCG Tools. It's easier.

Thanks for mentioning.

With PCG Tools you can open PCG files (one from your synth, and from the library in your case). Than select the programs you want to copy and paste them where you want them in your synth PCG file.

[cufc74]

Yep, finally - with a bit of experimenting - got there. I somehow managed to insert the new 'sounds' in User Bank G from 23 onwards and they didn't replace the sounds already in there (0-22). When I tried them they didn't work (the message came up that they weren't loaded) so I went back and loaded the other files with "append'. Now both sets of sounds load up when I switch on. I should I suppose go to Global and KSC autoload but I'll wait until after the next few shows before messing around with that. I will need to organise the banks of sounds in future and possibly switch off some of the autoloads. Wow, it gets complicated after a while because some of the 'set lists' use sounds from the 'auto loads' if that makes any sort of sense. Thanks again for your helpful suggestions and advice. What a great site this is!

[Chopin's11th]

Hi, can anyone out there help? My problem is that I'm trying the load some newly bought sounds into user bank G but when I do this it just replaces the sounds the are already in there...

I'm unsure how to point you to my question very similar to yours as I am new here, but I just asked about the same question and was greeted with detailed explanations on how to accomplish this. (I've only a few posts at this point so it is probably easy to find but I can't quite remember the phrase I used to title it).

BTW, Qui Robinez' tutorials are nothing short of great and utilize both video, and written tutorials combined that are really easy to follow. Between his responses, the Youtube vids he has and his site I was able to easily conquer what you're trying to do.

[19naia]

Another day, another lesson. Glad it worked out and i learned something too.
I am far fom having this issue because i still have a lot of empty banks and the set list alone has more slots than i need for the sounds and songs i would regularly use. May take me years to outgrow the factory sounds of kronos 2 and then i cant think of more than a a few banks of new stuff to add. I Will likely be going towrads VST once the factory content gets old.

So, SET LIST is enough of a bank of slots where i can arrange my mainstay sounds without having to alter or move around my preloaded banks.
Used to have to use empty banks on the triton extreme for the same function that the kronos set list does, but the kronos set list blends combi, program and song mode slots into one bank of option.