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Hellrider wrote:This was absolutely a shame - Toni played the Oasys just for some cords - he never played it neither with both hands nor longer than few seconds.
My impression was "its just a KORG commercial" too.

Cheers
Frank

I have been told by KORG people that Tony Banks bought it.
As I can see it is "fully" MIDI connected, so who knows what comes out of it?

Hellrider wrote:This was absolutely a shame - Toni played the Oasys just for some cords - he never played it neither with both hands nor longer than few seconds.
My impression was "its just a KORG commercial" too.

Cheers
Frank

From the photo, it looks like the MIDI input of the OASYS is connected to something. My guess is that he's controlling it from the A90, as others have suggested. Depending on the other synths in his setup, it may have been easier for him (and his tech) to use a separate master keyboard.

I dont blame Tony Banks for using the A90 the most of the time.I owned one for many years and it truly is a wonderful Master Controller.At Live Earth on Sat at Wembley I noticed he used the OASYS in the higher ranges for a string lead line on the middle section of Invisible Touch but his main keyboard throughout the set was the A90.

I would say he probably plays a hell of a lot of sounds from the O on the A90 but he also had a fair bit or rack gear with him as well.The fact he does'nt physically play it does'nt mean he's not using it.

The A90 gives you great options in live situations.Its far more capable than an OASYS as a main hub.

I agree with thekeymaster. The A90EX is a great master MIDI controller, also having one of the best piano sounds out there, second only to the O. I still use it as my main controller and wouldn't part with it for anything, even though I have a brand new O88 sitting next to it gurgling out the most wonderful sounds imagineable.

I don't think Tony needs to do a "Korg commercial".

As most MIDI-aware people here should know, it matters not which physical keyboard you are playing, in a multiple keyboard rig, likely controlled by a computer or a guy backstage pressing the routing buttons at the correct times.

Tony Banks used also the KPS 3.1

Kind Regards

KARO Sound Development

Kurt

IMHO, as far as sounds are concerned, I do not like Tony's choices for this tour.
He has all of the old sounds (sampled also by IK people), but he does not use them (or they are hidden under other layered sounds).
May be the pro-soloist does not sound that powerful, but it's distinctive.

Of course, after 1983 Tony ended his search for a "personal" sound, in fact he also adopted many preset-sounds of machines like (later) the Wavestation.
His sounds became anonimous.

I remember him saying that he ereased all the factory preset of his Prophet 10 to create his own ones.
Good old times, one knob - one function.

"The A90EX is a great master MIDI controller, also having one of the best piano sounds out there, second only to the O. I still use it as my main controller and wouldn't part with it for anything,"

I agree. I also have and A90-EX and WavestationEX. I access the piano sounds from the Oasys and use the A90 as the controller. Its piano sounds are better IMO nitecrawler

I got to go to the Genesis show last night with a couple of other guys from Korg R&D. Great show! Phil Collins and Chester Thompson really tore it up on the drums and Phil put on a good show as the front man. The whole band sounded great. Before the show, we got to meet with Justin who is the keyboard tech guy for the tour. Really nice guy. He showed us around and talked with us about all of the gear they are using, which synths they are using for what, etc. We went up on stage and got to see the whole setup, play with the Oasys (76 note), check out the gear, etc.

He told us that Tony is using the Oasys for most of the sounds he plays. All of the "analog" sounds are AL-1 and he uses the Oasys for many pads, piano and organ sounds. It sounded great, BTW. The analog programs really sounded super and Tony played very well. Genesis is one of those rock bands that is not totally guitar oriented. Everybody in the band gets their bit. Many of Tony's keyboard parts were very exposed and there were several solos without it turning into some kind of synth noodling sqwonk fest. During one of the slower songs there was a short little saxophone fill. I looked around for the sax because I knew there weren't any horn players. Of course, it was a synth - maybe the Oasys.

His main controllers, and the keyboards he plays the most, are an old beat up Wavestation keyboard on top of an A-90. But they are just being used as controllers! They are all midi-ed over to the Oasys! For each song, he's got a combi (or two or three) and typically he was using several channels in each combi controlled from the Wavestation, A-90 and local keyboard. Several volume pedals and switches to fade in / out each sound. According to Justin, Tony got the Oasys for the sounds and to replace a bunch of analog gear. He does play the local keyboard on several songs along with the other controllers, but he's just used to using that old Wavestation and the A-90. Now that the Oasys has been "proven in battle" Justin said they were thinking of getting an Oasys 88 to go with the 76, ditch the old gear and move more of the other synth sounds (from his rack) into the Oasys.

In his rack, he had a TX7 which he uses for 3 or 4 songs, for that very distinct FM sound. (I have no doubt that the MOD7 can duplicate these sounds.) He also had a wavestation SR (again, this can totally be done on the Oasys, they just didn't take the time to reprogram it on the Oasys), a Roland sampler, E4 and an Emu Proteus with some cutsom ROMs. There was also a custom MIDI Gate box that they used on "Mama" where a click track is used to Gate notes on and off (on the Oasys) to make the pulsing rhythmic sound. Very cool. Maybe they could do that with Karma? They did use KARMA for the arpeggiator sounds in "Duke's Travels" according to:

http://www.korg.co.uk/news_list/news.asp?newsId=61

In summary: great show, great setup. A fine evening for music and music geek gear. We also had an excellent pizza before the show.

Andy,

thanks for this very interesting posting and insight of Tony's setup!

Andy Leary wrote:In his rack, he had a TX7 which he uses for 3 or 4 songs, for that very distinct FM sound. (I have no doubt that the MOD7 can duplicate these sounds.)

chances are quite good

peter

Check this out :

http://www.korg.co.uk/news_list/news.asp?newsId=61

Since it was Mr Banks who inspired me to become a keyboard player 20 years ago, I couldn't resist adding to this thread !

I recently took my wife to see Genesis in concert in Manchester UK, the most expensive concert I have ever seen coming in at AU$6,000 including airfares from Sydney and the admission fee.

I have wanted to see them play Live since 1975 and vowed to travel accross the world if I had to - and I did! It was worth every cent.

Mr Banks and his Oasys inspired my latest keyboard purchase, and I am now the proud owner of a shiney new Oasys76 the pride of my fleet. In the end the experience cost me twice as much as I had planned, but you only live once and you are a long time looking at the inside of a wooden box !

This is from an interview with Tony Banks:

Tony Banks knows exactly what he needs from technology. He explains to Thomas James why he's using Korg's OASYS.

"Most people think I'm still using the old instruments, which really is a good thing!" laughs Tony Banks, reflecting on the fine job his OASYS keyboard workstation has been doing on the mammoth 2007 Genesis reunion tour.

For the first time in more than a decade, keyboardist Banks and guitarist Mike Rutherford have been joined by ex-vocalist Phil Collins to perform a set of old favourites, celebrating the band's 40-year anniversary, and helping to promote a host of newly formatted DVD releases.

The task of recreating the sounds from songs written using generation after generation of equipment has not been a simple one, but Korg's flagship workstation, the OASYS, is Tony's secret weapon. It also came to the rescue during the band's Wembley Stadium performance as part of the UK Live Earth climate awareness show in July.

Not one to hang onto his vintage gear, Tony originally intended to recreate his old sounds using virtual instruments running from a dedicated rack-mounted computer, but eventually decided that the OASYS - offering a selection of different synthesis types within the one box - was a better bet. "It is something of a coincidence that I happened to come across it at this particular time," continues Tony. "I was looking at something to power my virtual instruments and went as far as buying the hardware, but when I started fiddling around with OASYS I realised that I didn't need the other system.

"A lot of people do the same thing using computers but I trust the OASYS more and it is much easier because it's a complete system. I find that the trouble with virtual instruments is the latency. Sequencing is fine but when you are actually trying to build up an idea they are not terrifically user friendly.

"So an instrument that has it all in is easier and obviously you can plonk your own sounds in as well. For example, I've loaded in, what we call, 'the elephant sample' from the start of 'No Son Of Mine'. Simple things like that are so easy to do. I'll probably move all my samples across eventually."

On stage, the OASYS provides almost all the sounds originally created using analogue synthsizers other pre-digital gear. "Everything that pre-dates 1980 is almost exclusively done on the OASYS and it's been fantastic for that," he insists. "We do a long medley starting with 'In The Cage', passing through lots of instrumental passages and ending with 'Afterglow', and every sound in that is from the OASYS. I don't have any of those keyboards anymore and wouldn't want to tour with them. It's got a great piano, organ, strings and voices, plus all the monophonic synthesizers I used in the old days.

"I hate saying this when I have plenty of shows still to do, but it has been remarkably reliable. We have two of them on tour and the great thing about it is that you can swap the disk across and it's absolutely the same. That is really useful. For the Live Earth gig, for example, I hired one, plugged our sounds in - perfect!"
Tony's live setup employs three keyboards, two of which are merely controllers, setup to play the sounds stored in the OASYS. For each song, the relevant sounds are split between the three, enabling Tony to instantly access whatever he needs without too many button presses. "I just use about 30 or 35 user presets to represent all the different songs and set it up so that the splits are appropriate for each song. For example, for 'In The Cage', which has about seven or eight sounds, three of them can be played on the OASYS itself, the lead is played remotely from a little sprung keyboard sat on top and then I have two types of organ on the third.

So far, Tony has shied away from using the large touch screen and real-time controls live, preferring to prepare everything beforehand so that he can concentrate fully on performing. "When programming I use the screen a lot and I think the ways the pages are done is pretty good. But since I got the keyboard I've been in tour rehearsal mode so that's really what I've used it for and I don't want to fiddle with controllers or touch my setup on stage. I get it sorted in rehearsal so I only have to press a button for it to go to the song with every parameter setup correctly. If I need two touches on the same sound then I just set up two different presets. There are 16 different sounds in each Combi so that works fine."

Although the powerful KARMA technology, incorporated within the OASYS, is not a key area of interest for Tony, he has still found a use for it on the tour. "In a piece called 'Duke's Travels' there's this massive arpeggiating synthesizer sound which I originally created using the Arp Quadra, and to replicate that I used KARMA. But I'm really using the OASYS for its sounds and versatility. It is very versatile in that it allows you to use a multitude of independent effects on all the different sounds and combine them in various ways. I like being able to load a program with all its effects, which are sometimes very important. You may want to change them but when you bring in a sound without its effects it can sound very nude, so that's a useful function."

To ensure the OASYS sits at the summit of the keyboard workstation market, Korg have paid particular attention to the standard of audio playback, ensuring that it is of the highest quality, as Tony has experienced. "The technical jargon doesn't mean much to me," he laughs, "all I know is that all frequencies are taken care of and it has a very nice sound. You can tell from listening to things like the strings."

A few of Tony's older Korg keyboards are still in service, playing back vital sounds which he has yet to replace using the OASYS. "I use a Wavestation SR for a couple of specific pad sounds, particularly on 'No Son Of Mine' and 'Hold On My Heart' from We Can't Dance. Having a few pieces of outboard is not a problem but I'm sure there are very similar sounds buried on the OASYS.

"Everybody ends up with favourite sounds and there was one string sounds on the Korg 01W I used to use for a lot of writing. It wasn't necessarily the most fantastic string sound but it just had such a nice quality to it and was very playable. For the songs we are doing at the moment I didn't need to replacing many of those sounds but if I want a generic pad I use the OASYS. Some string samples are just great for writing so I'm looking forward to using the OASYS like that.

"I think the OASYS organ sounds are really good and it's great to have a keyboard that gives you the same kind of rich quality as the original Hammonds. The Leslie effects on it are good too. I love slow Leslie sounds and you can definitely get that, and obviously you don't have to mic it up! So, for me, that side of it works really well."

When it comes to replicating sounds from the past, Tony has some strong views on what is important and what's not. "In the old days I used the organ because it was our only alternative to a piano - it wasn't because I loved the organ! That's also true of things like the Arp Pro Soloist sounds - we only used them because that was all we had. And I never really liked the Mellotron! It has a nostalgic quality but it isn't a great sound. To me, a real string sample is vastly better. If I can make a sound that is similar but has more quality, or whatever it is I'm looking for, then I'm very happy to do that.

"So when I go back to old songs I don't necessarily recreate the sound. Where I feel that it was a crucial part of the song I get it sounding as authentic as possible and I think the audience wants to hear organs, pianos and Mellotron-style strings and voices.

"But it is the spirit of the sounds, as much as anything, which you've got to get back. For example, getting the right amount of portamento on some of the early songs is very important. All you need is the right saw-tooth wave and portamento and you've got 90 percent of your sound! They weren't subtle sounds and I suppose that's what I'm after.

"You couldn't really write parts on machines like the Mellotron because they weren't particularly sophisticated. You tended to just put you hand on a chord and play so I play the OASYS emulations it in the same way. If I want to play something really fast I choose a synthesizer or organ sound with a hard attack. For most of the solos I'm using the equivalent of the old Arp sound I used in the '70s and '80s."

Of all the sound creation tools the OASYS has to offer, it is its ability to use several completely different types of synthesis simultaneously which has excited Tony the most. "It is great to be able to combine quite distinct synthesis forms within one instrument," he explains. "I liked the Arp Quadra because it had four synths together which made you try things you wouldn't otherwise consider. I've always been a great believer in leaving things to chance, but the more you use outboard and computer-based stuff, the more you have to think in advance, so it's harder to let things just happen. I don't yet know how good OASYS is for that but I'm hopeful because it's all mixed in. When I've have found time to start playing with the sounds I've realised that certain sound combinations work well. It's an instrument I've already explored a great deal more than I ever explored the 01W, for example.

"I've never used a programmer; I've always done it myself because that's part of the fun. On things like the Sequential Prophet, for example, I'd create every sound from scratch or modify presets, but the Yamaha DX7 and the Synclavier changed the way I thought because they were desperately difficult to program, and I started relying on presets to a greater degree. In the old days I'd put a Pianet through a fuzzbox and a wah and try everything I could, so I get embarrassed by the fact that we sometimes only really explore a small percentage of an instrument's potential.

"But I have found that with the OASYS I have got back into modifying the sounds much more and that's part of the creative process. If I want to go back to the ADSR way of thinking then it's all in there and that is great when I'm trying to create old Arp-type sounds. Then, if I want to go for exotic morphing sounds that go on forever, I can do that too. When I get back into writing mode I think I'll be using it a lot!"

Genesis Info:
It was while still at school, that Tony Banks formed a series of bands with fellow pupils Peter Gabriel and Mike Rutherford, eventually landing a recording deal and settling on the name Genesis. By 1970, Phil Collins had joined as drummer and, together with guitarist Steve Hackett, the band fully established themselves as one of the most important progressive rocks acts of the era.

When Gabriel left in the mid '70s to pursue his solo career, Collins took over on vocals, sounding astonishingly similar to his predecessor! From there on the nucleus of the band became Collins, Rutherford and Banks signalling a change in musical direction. By the mid 1980s, Genesis had adopted a more commercial song-writing approach and began enjoying huge record sales as a result. The 1996 Invisible Touch tour sold out Wembley stadium night after night and saw the band using pioneering stage lighting and sound technology. Collins eventually chose to go solo leaving Rutherford and Banks continuing working under the Genesis name up until the recent tour.

silverdragonsound wrote:I would love to see Genesis. I saw them years ago and it was a great show. Glad to see Tony is playing an Oasys. No wonder they sound so good.

OK - come and see my Genesis tribute - Los Endos Ultimate Genesis!

Here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63sFlCIk ... AAAAAAAAAA

R
Alan[/url]

themusicman2001 wrote:

EJ2 wrote:Hey, John, thanks for the shot. How was the concert?
Cheers,
Eric

Hey Eric - it was awesome, to be honest.

For those younger members who maybe don't know Genesis - they were totally awesome. I have seen Genesis several times now, the last time being 16 years ago - and I have to say these are musicians simply of the highest caliber. They play brilliantly together, have immense songwriting expertise, and have a truly expert production team. The sound quality was just breathtaking, more than 60,000 people packed into a stadium that erupted into life and who experienced a performance of outstanding class. What other act would you see play a set, non-stop, for just about 2 hours 30 mins. The only break was the two minutes for the 'more.. more.. more.." shouts when they finished then came back on for an encore of another two pieces - ending with the superb "Carpet Crawlers".

Stunning is the only word I can use to describe it - and what made it truly wonderful for me was to have my 10 yr old daughter standing on the chair behind me holding my shoulders and arms, dancing, singing (despite her knowing none of the words) and having a great time with me.

An evening - and a moment - that I will treasure for the rest of my days.

In which case, why not come and see my Genesis tribute - Los Endos Ultimate Genesis!

Here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63sFlCIk ... AAAAAAAAAA

More here: www.losendos.co.uk

R
Alan