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Merging data from 2 separate MIDI tracks
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:53 pm
by jgsidak
Is it possible to merge the data from two separate MIDI tracks? Suppose you have two acoustic guitar tracks with different strums but the same guitar sound. You want to free up a MIDI track by combining all of the notes and Karma strumming information on one track. Is is possible to merge the two MIDI tracks after the fact?
I have done something similar by overdubbing one Karma strumming pattern on top of a different preexisting strumming pattern on the same track. (I have done the same with drum patterns.) But this form of combining MIDI data is done when actually recording. What I am asking is whether two tracks that have already been recorded can subsequently have their MIDI data combined on a single track.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:24 am
by Docblues
You can bounce the 2 selected midi tracks as audio track.
This will give you some room for more midi tracks.
Docblues
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:31 am
by danatkorg
Docblues wrote:You can bounce the 2 selected midi tracks as audio track.
This will give you some room for more midi tracks.
You can also just use the "Bounce Track" command to merge one MIDI track with another, and keep the data in MIDI form (without going to audio).
Best regards,
Dan
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:31 am
by Sina172
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:47 pm
by jgsidak
Yeah, I agree that it is huge. This is an example of something I never picked up from the slim manual. A lot of times I record harmony guitar leads in the same guitar sound. Now I can collapse them to a single track (although I am not sure whether doing so will introduce harmonic interaction that would not occur if the two guitar parts were on separate tracks--something to experiment with).
By the way, when you use the Bounce Track feature, you lose the bounced track for good. So I recommend copying it to another track until you are satisfied with how your combined track sounds. Then erase that placeholder track when you are satisfied. Otherwise, you won't be able to "unscramble the eggs" if you don't like what you have produced (other than using Compare, which gets overriden as soon as you quantize or save data, or lay down an additional iteration of data).
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:37 pm
by danatkorg
I'm very glad that I was able to help!
Just a comment, in the vein of "teaching a man how to fish:"
Until you asked, I didn't know how to do this, either. But, I figured it had to be possible. So, I pulled up the latest PDF of the Parameter Guide, and skimmed through the Sequencer mode's menu commands until I found one that did the trick. It took about 2 minutes total.
I absolutely don't mean to say that anyone should feel bad about not finding the info themselves, or that everything would necessarily be this easy to find. But, I do often find that what I'm looking for is in there (even in the parts that I didn't write!).
Best regards,
Dan
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:51 pm
by Lou
I may be wrong, but if you are trying to Bounce a Track that is utilizing a Karma module on a specific midi channel to another track/channel, you are going to get some wild and crazy things going on. You are going to have to watch your channel outputs for this to work, I believe..

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:28 pm
by KingJ
jgsidak wrote:Yeah, I agree that it is huge. This is an example of something I never picked up from the slim manual. A lot of times I record harmony guitar leads in the same guitar sound. Now I can collapse them to a single track (although I am not sure whether doing so will introduce harmonic interaction that would not occur if the two guitar parts were on separate tracks--something to experiment with).
By the way, when you use the Bounce Track feature, you lose the bounced track for good. So I recommend copying it to another track until you are satisfied with how your combined track sounds. Then erase that placeholder track when you are satisfied. Otherwise, you won't be able to "unscramble the eggs" if you don't like what you have produced (other than using Compare, which gets overriden as soon as you quantize or save data, or lay down an additional iteration of data).
If you're doing harmony guitar leads, you should always do them on separate MIDI tracks. Not only will one note interfear with another, but your pitch bends will also be effected. The only time bouncing two distorted guitar tracks to one MIDI track is useful is when you have a single guitar part that is physically impossible to play on only one track. If doing your leads on separate MIDI tracks causes you to run out of insert effects, then you'll have to record your MIDI data to an audio track, to free up effects.
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:48 pm
by danatkorg
KingJ wrote: If doing your leads on separate MIDI tracks causes you to run out of insert effects, then you'll have to record your MIDI data to an audio track, to free up effects.
Separate MIDI tracks can still share the same insert effects! Just send the tracks to the same FX Bus.
MIDI tracks can even enter a chain of effects at different points.
Best regards,
Dan