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I'm one of those odd ducks who likes to put SFX as appropriate to the piece. You know, like sleigh bells in Christmas carols, howler monkeys & birds in jungle scenes, rain & thunder in certain places & cases, etc..

Previous to the O, I either ran those FX on my Akai sampler, or with cards on the Wavestation or cards & disks on the T1, all of which I can still do as before.

With the advent of the O, I'm wondering if it's worth while to at least take all the samples that I like that are in wav or aiff on CD and save them to the O's HD?

I could also directly sample the output of the T1 or WS for the SFX patches I like there as well.

What would you do?

Ken

Hi Ken,

Good question!

I've been working a lot lately with the sampling capabilities of the O -- well, maybe not working so much as experimenting.

Ultimately the conclusion I've come to is that there are definitely more efficient and user-friendly ways to work with samples than the O, whether you're talking about mapping multisamples or simply recalling them for future use. A few improvements would make a world of difference, especially if there was a way to recall sample names instead of numbers when you create a program -- otherwise, if you want to use numerous custom sample programs, you have to have either created them all in one fell swoop, or reload them in the same order they were created, so that all the numbers match!

It's too bad, because I would've really liked to switch to the Oasys for everything, but I'll still hang onto Battery and Kontakt for my sampling needs.

Back when I was doing a lot more sound design work, I'd created a bunch of Kontakt multisamples that I could align via a MIDI timeline to sync to picture. For instance, I'd mapped out a bunch of foley footsteps that I could "play" along with the video. Another set was for warfare noises. You get the idea...

Anyhow, I realize that a software sampler is not for everyone, but they really do seem to have more flexibility and user-friendliness (well, some of them anyway!) than most, if not all, hardware samplers on the market today. If you were just using one or two samples here and there, then, sure -- the O would be as good a way to go as any -- but if you wanted to do a lot of complex multisampling, software might get you there much quicker and with less aggravation.

Don't get me wrong -- I love my Oasys. Just not for that particular job!

Ultimately the conclusion I've come to is that there are definitely more efficient and user-friendly ways to work with samples than the O, whether you're talking about mapping multisamples or simply recalling them for future use.

The OASYS can create maps automatically if you set up the template on the multisample page.

As for recalling them, you have the append feature that allows you to load sets in ontop of each other, or you can just load the KMP files.

It's actually a very efficient system to work with for loading and assembling multisampels.

A few improvements would make a world of difference, especially if there was a way to recall sample names instead of numbers when you create a program

In disk mode press the Translate option in the top drop down menu.

otherwise, if you want to use numerous custom sample programs, you have to have either created them all in one fell swoop, or reload them in the same order they were created, so that all the numbers match!

Nope, the append feature allows you to merge different collections of libraries together, and also load PCG files in on top of each other.

The sampler is very powerful, and very efficient. The only places it falls down are in it's ability to undo, and move loop points in real time to help the looping process ( the KORG Pa1X can do this)

Regards.
Sharp.

Tag,

Thanks for the tip off on not being able to name samples as you put them in, and winding up with numbers - uggh! I hadn't gotten that far yet.

So let's see, that's a seqencer that's not user friendly and a sampler that isn't either ----hmmmmmmmmm.

I've been thinking about using the new logic studio package as a Sequencer, but Apple doesn't make it out to include a "sampler" per se. I haven't been able find out yet whether or not Soundtrack Pro 2 (included in logic studio) will do sampling functions.

Guess I need to dig in quite a bit more on this.

Ken

kenackr wrote:Thanks for the tip off on not being able to name samples as you put them in, and winding up with numbers - uggh!

Didn't you read Sharp's post, above????

Sharp wrote: In disk mode press the Translate option in the top drop down menu.

So let's see, that's a seqencer that's not user friendly and a sampler that isn't either ----hmmmmmmmmm.

As for the sampler, read Sharp's post. The sequencer has gained a lot of notoriety. You can use a software sequencer, like most people do. Or, you can study this one, which can do things that the Motif, Fantom, Fusion, M3, and most others cant.

The OASYS is now my fave hardware sequencer. Though the Fantom had a lot more "per measure" options (velocity, gate percentage), it only had a one Song capability (though could CHAIN via disk or from memory card). The Fantom sequencer has a deservedly fantastic reputation, but there are tricks the OASYS can do that it can't.

The OASYS holds 200 Songs and allows you to copy any measure of MIDI or AUDIO from any other song. (see last link for video examples)

Multi-Record can be activated for every track

The best Bus system of any onboard unit I know! You can do multi destination recording, like this:

MULTI-BUS Video

Automation and sysex recording is very strong:

Automation thread


The main issues seem to be the vertical (instead of left to right) format of the Midi Event Editor (people give up on it, instead of getting used to it) and 192 ppqn, which is more than I'll ever need, but not enough for others. There need to be a few more menu options, but even at that, most people didn't even know that you could Bounce tracks, Shift notes (in certain ranges even), re-bus any track, etc.

In my workflow, I often use several Song slots to make one Song. This is so I can revert to previous Combis or MIDI setups, "freeze" or "unfreeze" my audio, for Combis and mixes.

By itself, the sequencer seems lacking, but add in all the Slots - with interchangeable capability, the bus system, the 16 FX processors, the HDR, computer fast sample and Wav. loadup, KARMA, etc. and it can do a few things.

Thanks Sharp, for the detailed reply. Clearly, I've still got a lot to learn about sample handling on the O. Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with actual hardware samplers in general that makes the Oasys structure seem more cumbersome. Hopefully, I'll reach the point where I feel like I've had a breakthrough!

My issue stems mainly from some items I was working on this weekend. Maybe there's a better way to do this, but here's what happened. A couple of weeks back, I created a bunch (maybe 10 or so) of multisample patches from a converted Akai choir CD. Everything loaded up and worked perfectly well. To recall the sounds, I saved my sample data in a file CHOIRS.KSD. This weekend, I assembled a drumkit from the Goldbaby Tape606 samples -- but I hadn't loaded my CHOIR file first. I saved my sample data as TAPE606.KSD. So I now have the option of loading either but not both, since the programs I created will be messed up by loading the other files' sample numbers. (If I "append" the samples will be in the wrong slots.) Unless I'm missing something, to rectify the issue, I need to load both files, recreate my programs or my drum set and then re-save all the sample data into a new combined file -- time consuming.

The simplest solution (for me!) would be for the Oasys to autoload any samples attached to programs automatically at startup -- clearly a popular feature request! -- similar to the way samples were loaded on my Fantom. (I had the option to load at startup or not.) Then, any new sampling would always be appended... until I ran out of memory I guess!

Granted, I realize that this is a USER issue, not an issue with the OS. I suppose as long as I remember to always load my sample set, I can keep adding to it cumulatively, and not have any problem with sample numbers.

The "Load PCG (RAM) and Samples" Disk mode menu option is your friend especially when managing multiple sample sets and their associated Programs.

Mike,

Unfortunately, I was called away while in the middle of answering tag's response, so when I returned I just finished it and posted it, never seeing Sharps post. Sorry Sharp & Mike. No disrespect meant.

Returning to music after a 10 year hiatus leaves me with a large knowledge hole about current products that you mention. I had always used Opcode's Vision because the sequencer on my T1 was infantile. I'm more visually oriented when learning. My past experience with Vision colors the way I look at the O's sequencer.

Ken said:

Guess I need to dig in quite a bit more on this.

I do not doubt anything you are saying about either the sequencer or the sampler in their capabilities and appreciate you providing links for me.

Perhaps it would be a good market for you to do follow-on in-depth training CD's on each the sequencer and the sampler. I'll certainly buy them. I know you touched on these in your first, which I bought.

Thanks for trying to help, and this response got interrupted too, so my apologies in advance if I came behind again.

Ken

No problem, Ken. I saw Sharp's post, which is excellent, and wanted to make sure you saw it.

Yes, the sequencer has a lot of limitations, compared to the ease of software - no denying that. I do want to follow up on it more.

I didn't realize you were scrambling with your posts - sorry, if I came off a little strong.

Daz wrote:The "Load PCG (RAM) and Samples" Disk mode menu option is your friend especially when managing multiple sample sets and their associated Programs.

Yes that's a fantastic way of loading different programs and samples.

But I would really like to load one program at the time with the associated multisamples. And then use programs from different program files with the use of the append function. For example, loading two programs from the KARO strings with the multisamples and then append two different programs from the KARO Granular etc.

I don't think that is possible or am i missing something (i hope so )?