Recording Multiple Audio Tracks From OASYS sounds themselves

[AnthonyB]

Hello,

I wanted to have a stab at recording some audio tracks on the hard disk recorder, from the INTERNAL SOUNDS of the OASYS. Example: a Combination (particles and waves lets say) on Audio 1 (or 1+2 if set to stereo), and after that, record a program (piano for example) to audio 3+4 (stereo). And so on.
The only problem is, when I record the second track (piano) on Audio 3+4 (second stereo pair) it also records the Audio 1+2 too, so I have two recordings of the first recording! (Sounds like a bad midi echo – and obviously not what I’m after). What do I do to *LISTEN* to the sounds of the Audio recorded to 1+2 - without having to *RECORD* it as well (which records on Audio 3+4 as they are the ones recording, with 1+2 set to "play".
It says in the manual I think, that if you want to hear what you’ve recorded on Audio track one, select to L/R. Well if I do this I do hear it but it records. I use L/R to record the Audio tracks anyway, as it won’t record on any other, well I can’t do it anyway. (no external recording here I must mention).

Thanks in advance for suggestions.

AnthonyB

[Mike Conway]

The only problem is, when I record the second track (piano) on Audio 3+4 (second stereo pair) it also records the Audio 1+2 too, so I have two recordings of the first recording!

Several ways to avoid this. One way is to turn down the volume of tracks 1 + 2, but that doesn't let you play along with what has been laid down.

What I usually do is run my L/R outs to the first two tracks of my mixer. Next, I run a second set of cables from OUTPUTS 3 +4 to a second set of mixer tracks. (4 mixer tracks, total.)

Click on your PREFERENCE tab and output your click metronome to OUTPUT 3 or 4. This takes the click out of the L/R channels, so that you can listen to it on your mixer track 3, but record from the OASYS' overall L/R outputs. Now it won't be recorded.

Lay down your Combi to Audio Tracks 1 + 2. Now, go to IFX, then AUDIO ROUTING TAB. Change the audio output to OUTPUT 3/4. Now, you can play back those tracks and not record them through the L/R bus.

To record additional Combis, you can go to the main MIDI Programs' page, click on the dropdown tab and Copy From Combi. Please note your original tempo, as each combi has its own tempo speed. As an example, you may want the Song to stay at 120 BPM. If a new Combi changes that, you can put it back to the right speed.

Repeat the process as many times as needed.

[AnthonyB]

Thanks Mike for the reply.

Actually, I haven't got a mixer (may get one soon), but I will print out your tutorial and refer to it when I do have one.
In the mean time, I try and use my “own little method”. I record to Audio 1+2 (whether combi or prog) and check to how it sounds on playback. After this, I Create/copy another Prog/Combi to sequence, and RECORD this to MIDI (NOTE: Audio 3+4 aren’t armed yet) so I can listen to the Audio 1+2 whilst playing the Midi tracks.

When I’ve finished listening to the two recording, Midi, and Audio 1+2 (stereo) and make sure the sounds are adjusted, EQ’s, panned levels etc, etc, I THEN Record Midi to Audio 3+4, BUT with the 1+2 Sliders down, so as not to record them, as the sound won’t be heard anyway. This way, I will be recording Midi to 3+4, whilst Audio is playing back. After this, I can then listen to the result of both Audio’s, and make any necessary adjustments.

AnthonyB

[Charlie]

Just out of curiosity: why would one want to record to Audio (with limited editing features) if you could record the same tracks to Midi (with full editing features)?
I only record external stuff to Audio and when everything is in the Oasys I create the final Audio-wav for "leaving" the Oasys. One reason I can imagine is when you run out of Midi-Tracks - but that doesn't fit your description above.

[danatkorg]

Three words:

Use REC busses!

These let you record individual tracks directly, without any of the workarounds mentioned so far (separate outputs, lowering volumes of other tracks, etc.).

- Dan

[AnthonyB]

Hi Dan, I understand what you mean I think, but last time I tried that, the tracks (from the internal sounds of the OASYS) didn't record at all, only on L/R. I'll go and have another look at that, and the Busses, and report back later. Remember though, I don't have a mixer so, maybe I won't hear the other "Non- L/R") Busses??

PS: Charlie, I want to record Audio mainly to get the full effect of the combi/programme sound,(all effects/master etc intact) so i don't have to compromise effects/Polyphony etc. You talk about limited features on the Audio recorder, but That doesn't mean I can't create a "super-sequence"(LOL) and THEN put THAT to audio does it?. Think of it this way, "16 Tracks" of Midi Times 8 (stereo) like having 128 tracks midi tracks - I guuess:) 128 midi tracks? - hmmmmm...seem to have heard that before somewhere


Thanks all.


AnthonyB

[danatkorg]

Hi Dan, I understand what you mean I think, but last time I tried that, the tracks (from the internal sounds of the OASYS) didn't record at all, only on L/R. I'll go and have another look at that, and the Busses, and report back later. Remember though, I don't have a mixer so, maybe I won't hear the other "Non- L/R") Busses??

Busses are internal; they don't require a mixer.
I think you'll find that they are simple to set up. If you need help, first check out the manuals for info on using the REC busses, and then if necessary talk to tech support!

Best regards,

Dan

[Mike Conway]

Three words:

Use REC busses!

These let you record individual tracks directly, without any of the workarounds mentioned so far (separate outputs, lowering volumes of other tracks, etc.).

Been away all day and night, so I haven't had a chance to get back to this thread. I suggested the mixer route, as that doesn't require too much re-routing....and you get to hear the metronome on a separate track. Obviously, if you want to record the Master and Total effects, those run through the L/R system. As I said, there are several ways to accomplish this.

Okay, so you don't have a mixer. What you do is record Particles and Waves, like you did to Tracks 1 + 2, with their RECORD SOURCE set to L/R. Any additional sounds, like the Piano to tracks 3 + 4 or another Combi to 5 + 6, need to be on a routing other than L/R.

If you find a piano that you like, you can press ENTER + REC/WRITE to set up for recording. This would create a new Song slot, but you will have your IFX automatically imported. Let's say that this went to the SONG 2 slot. Now, go to SONG 1, select the audio tracks that Particles and Waves were recorded to. In the dropdown box, select COPY MEASURE and set the destination to SONG 2. Now the Particles stereo tracks are also in SONG 2.

Set AUDIO TRACKS 3 + 4 so that RECORD SOURCE is set to REC 1/2. Go to the piano Program and press the IFX tab. Set all the IFX REC. BUSSES to REC 1/2. Record it and listen along to Particles. Your new recording should only have that sound,

Keep doing this - Tracks 6 + 7, 8 + 9, etc. You can keep adding Combis or continue with other

[Mike Conway]

Three words:

Use REC busses!

These let you record individual tracks directly, without any of the workarounds mentioned so far (separate outputs, lowering volumes of other tracks, etc.).

Been away all day and night, so I haven't had a chance to get back to this thread. I suggested the mixer route, as that doesn't require too much re-routing....and you get to hear the metronome on a separate track. Obviously, if you want to record the Master and Total effects, those run through the L/R system. As I said, there are several ways to accomplish this.

Okay, so you don't have a mixer. What you do is record Particles and Waves, like you did to Tracks 1 + 2, with their RECORD SOURCE set to L/R. Any additional sounds, like the Piano, to tracks 3 + 4 or another Combi to 5 + 6, need to be on a routing other than L/R.

If you find a piano that you like, you can press ENTER + REC/WRITE to set up for recording. This would create a new Song slot, but you will have your IFX automatically imported. Let's say that this went to the SONG 2 slot. Now, go to SONG 1, select the audio tracks that Particles and Waves were recorded to. In the dropdown box, select COPY MEASURE and set the destination to SONG 2. Now the Particles stereo tracks are also in SONG 2.

Go back to your SONG 2 piano Set AUDIO TRACKS 3 + 4 so that RECORD SOURCE is set to REC 1/2. Go to the piano Program and press the IFX tab. Set all the IFX REC. BUSSES to REC 1/2. Record it and listen along to Particles. Your new recording should only have that sound,

Keep doing this - Tracks 7 + 8, 9 + 10, etc. You can keep adding Combis, until you are happy.

[AnthonyB]

Thanks Mike, Much appreciated.

I've not actually tried it yet as Im away from the OASYS, but you seem to know what I'm looking for, and are on the same "WAVE-length" so to speak (pun intended!).


Thanks


AnthonyB

[Mike Conway]

I've not actually tried it yet as Im away from the OASYS, but you seem to know what I'm looking for

Yes, I tried it. I recorded Particles and Waves to tracks 1/2, the piano to 3/4, plus a vocal combi to 5/6. It was pretty cool. I could have kept going with several more combis.

I have some time, later tonight. If you are still having trouble, I can possibly post a video of the process.

[Charlie]

Yes, yes, yes!!! Please make a video, Mike of the procedure - a simple one like your vocoder is more than sufficient - thanx in advance!

[AnthonyB]

Obviously, I think we'd ALL love you to make a video, but only if you can, and in your time. I know how you got held back making your excellent DVD, but was worth it...

I like watching "some" OASYS videos of people playin, whether on youtube or other wise. But a tutorial is far better (for me anyway).

Mike of the procedure

Yea, "Mike of the Procedure!


Anthony

[Charlie]

@Anthony: Ok - you got me there - but I've got the perfect excuse: I'm not a native-speaker ...

[Mike Conway]

Okay, here's a video.

MULTIPLE COMBI RECORDING



Please note that this is just one way to do it. Because I'm recording all FX, including Master and Total, this way works well for that. However, it requires attention to other audio tracks' volume and Beats Per Minute setting.

The way Dan was referring to is good if you don't mind losing Master/Total FX, or even Insert FX. You see - IFX MIDI/Audio routing can happen before or after the Insert FX.

Also, audio tracks can be routed to FX, just like programs.