Better view of control assignments

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:42 am

I suspect that some of these suggestions have been made already but unfortunately the forum is a little too big to search easily so at the risk of repeating something already said:

I was experimenting with the piano and trying to adjust the reverb. I finally discovered that the reverb was coming from MX (something or other) and the amount could be controlled by CC #21, which was the 8th knob.

Now, in the assignment view, I can see that knob 8 is associated with CC21 but it would be MUCH better if I could see right there that knob 8 was associated with O-Verb Amount...that's much more helpful than having to remember MIDI control change numbers, particularly since the association can be different for each patch.

(NB - if a CC can control more than one sound, then a combo box with the list of all currently associated assignments is the way to go)

sirCombatWombat · Post by **sirCombatWombat** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:03 am

I totally agree! This was one of my first requests, don't remember if I posted it here or to my distributor though.

dhjdhj · Post by **dhjdhj** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:14 am

Interesting --- when did you post it? Is there any sense that suggestions from this forum make it into subsequent updates of the OS?
(not much point making suggestions if they don't

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Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:12 pm

Maybe I misunderstand here something - but I thought that (depending on what selection the button beside the potis is set) knob 8 usually conrolls MFX2-Send. So that's what I remember (not a CC) - and I think that's written right above this very knob.

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:36 pm

dhjdhj makes a very good point.

The Assignment View (the sub-tab on the Play tab labelled "Ctrl View/Effect" gives a nice list of all effects used, but the controller information is generally useless.

I've just looked at this page for the combi I happened to be working with at the moment, and I see a familiar view. For the Vector Joystick, each point is labelled "VJS +Y", "VJS +X", etc. The two switches are labelled "SW1 Mod" and "SW2 Mod". The assignable knobs are labelled "Knob Mod 5", etc. This tells us absolutely nothing about what any of those controllers actually do. For most combis, the top part of this page may as well not be there at all, because it contains no useful information.

As dhjdhj points out, we need a way of easily establishing what each controller is assigned to.

The Korg Z1 had a page on which every modulation for a single patch was displayed in a list. Not only for real-time controllers, but for LFOs, Envs, anything that could be used as a mod source. So, for example, if LFO2 was being used to do 3 different things, it would appear 3 times in the list, and you could see the destinations at a glance, and even make basic changes. An incredibly useful page for programmers and simple users alike. But the Z1 is the only Korg product it has appeared on.

We badly need such a page on all complex synthesizers, including M3 and Oasys, of course.

jg::

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:24 pm

dhj,

FYI the people in the right places at Korg do watch this board almost everday and do comment back when they have time.

Also, I'm sure you may have noticed the "stickys" at the top of the Oasys forum. On either the 2nd or third down you'll see a signature "danatkorg" read that thread to see what I mean.

BTW, I agree whole hog about cc identifiers, etc..

Ken

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:53 pm

I've seen stuff from the wishlist appear in the Oasys updates. For example the display of the RTC type in the GE browser and the ability to change the active module in Combi/Seq mode from the touch display as well as using the physical button on the front panel. As Ken comments the appropriate folks at Korg are reading and inwardly digesting suggestions. Obviously there is a little "latency" betwixt wishing and subsequent implementation

curvebender · Post by **curvebender** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:08 pm

I agree totally. Better view of controller assignments would be smashing!!

ryan42 · Post by **ryan42** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:09 pm

Another similar thing is that say you have CX-3 program... for some reason if you hit the Leslie switch it doesn't show you on the main program screen that it changed... although it shows everything else.

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:30 am

Good point, ryan. It would be nice to have some MIDI monitoring for controllers that don't already have some visual indication of their position. The status of the Leslie fast/slow is an excellent example of how this would be helpful.

jg::

sirCombatWombat · Post by **sirCombatWombat** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:43 am

Th Korg Z1 page jg:: suggests sounds very promising, but I must wonder if on OASYS that kind of page would be too complicated?
I have never seen the Z1 so I have to ask.

I also would like that pressing on the display would jump to the corresponding edit page.

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:30 pm

On the Z1, that page was simply a list that you could scroll down, with mod sources on one side and the corresponding desinations on the other. Since it would be an extra page in addition to all the current ones, if you didn't want to use it, you wouldn't have to!

But imho, it actually made the subject of complex modulation possibilities more understandable.

jg::