Why Korg Did Not Include a Video With the OASYS ???

salcerin · Post by **salcerin** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:33 am

It really makes me Mad !!!!

Why Korg did not include a video for the $7000 OASYS ,Like the Triton Series????

And now, the latest OASYS Made ,Don't Come with a Hard Copy of the Parameter Guide.

The Parameter Guide come on CD, And in the Keyboard itself.

How can you Read on the screen and and Check what you are doing at the same time ???

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:59 pm

You waited almost 2 years since you joined to bitch about this just because some other korg product got one now?

Retroactive anger?

The world moves on - get used to it and get over it.

Ken

salcerin · Post by **salcerin** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:12 pm

So, That means I came to late??

IF you were one of the First OASYS Owners, Did you get a video for the OASYS from Korg ,Just because you were one of those first Oasys Owners ??

Don't you think $7000 can buy a decent video that can help every oasys Owner ???

If Korg would Have Included a video for the Oasys many of US would know more about how to Use and get the Most from the Machine, It seems like you like to read a lot, The parameter guide is like 1000 pages. Good Luck with it .

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:38 pm

Salcerin -

Check out Mike Conway's 'Unofficial OASYS' DVD, which is excellent:

http://www.midnightsunent.com/orderdvds.php

Also - Stephen Kay's Media Player over at karma-lab has over thirty videos, many on OASYS and Karma technology which are exquisite:

http://www.karma-lab.com/vp/vp_main.html

Kevin.

salcerin · Post by **salcerin** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:41 pm

Thanks I wil give them a look.

mdh · Post by **mdh** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:42 am

salcerin wrote:It seems like you like to read a lot, The parameter guide is like 1000 pages. Good Luck with it .

Its a technical manual. In fact, its a brilliant technical manual. Very clear and easy to read instructions, fairly well laid out, great TOC and index, cross-references, ... when you know what you want to do, its actually very helpful.

Seems like what you want is not a technical manual but some "n00bs guide to sounding like Jordan Rudess in 21 days, for dummies". There's a lot of third-party material you can use here in conjunction with the excellent documentation from Korg. The parameter guide is not meant to be read cover to cover and memorised - you should instead select the bit of information from it on an as-need basis.

What's even more fun is keeping the manuals in the cupboard and just trying to figure it out for yourself. That's how I've got my guitar rig & mic hooked up. (the mic was very frustrating though, took ages to figure out routing out the external inputs appears to disable any MFX/TFX options)
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MauroR · Post by **MauroR** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:01 am

I don't understand why no one don't want a comprehensive video tutorial that covers all aspect of this machine and if someone ask for it, it is accused or insulted or victim of sarcasm. He didn't ask for a "noobs guid to become JR in 21 days", it is asking for what he would have been released years ago,just this, and don't tell me that is comfortable having to use the PC to read the manuals (KORG doesn't print anymore the Parameter Guide) and then look at the screen of the Oasys, this is another thing that I can't stand. Korg wake up.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:54 am

Here's why. Most people don't feel they need it. The various existing resources, such as the staggering documentation provided, the on-OASYS reference manual, the incredible resources and now Wiki interface over at Karma-Lab and Mike Conway's exquisite DVD and the unending good will on this forum, provide such an array of options that nobody feels neglected.

Furthermore, the regular direct communcations with Korg themselves through Jerry and Dan and Stephne Kay of Karma-Lab provide a huge benifit and are unprecedented on forums involving a commercial product. Pop over, say to LogicProHelp (and excellent forum) - but you will never find a LogicPro developer chiming in on forum discussions.

So - the annoyance you feel is genuinely not felt by many on this forum - not because we're indifferent - but because our experience over the past few years has been honestly very positive (and I don't proclaim to speak for everyone here). Check through the threads on this forum and you'll find countless occassions with people in a tight bind and where you'll find other members help out, or Dan and Stephen come in with deep knoweldge and advice.

That, coupled to some hard work at the OASYS and actually reading the manual (which can be admittedly tough on screen and I admit to originally complaining about that but am now getting used to) means that we don't feel the need to gripe at Korg in particular. It's not that we're annoyed with Korg but are zipping it - we're just not annoyed at Korg! (we're not that nice - take a look at the sequencer threads - you'll find annoyance at Korg there!)

Kevin.

salcerin · Post by **salcerin** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:37 pm

Well, I think $7000 -$8500 can buy a decent video.

They did it with the Triton Series, M50, etc,and those videos are very helpfull.

Kevin Nolan wrote:

Here's why. Most people don't feel they need it. The various existing resources, such as the staggering documentation provided, the on-OASYS reference manual, the incredible resources and now Wiki interface over at Karma-Lab and Mike Conway's exquisite DVD and the unending good will on this forum, provide such an array of options that nobody feels neglected.

Furthermore, the regular direct communcations with Korg themselves through Jerry and Dan and Stephne Kay of Karma-Lab provide a huge benifit and are unprecedented on forums involving a commercial product. Pop over, say to LogicProHelp (and excellent forum) - but you will never find a LogicPro developer chiming in on forum discussions.

So - the annoyance you feel is genuinely not felt by many on this forum - not because we're indifferent - but because our experience over the past few years has been honestly very positive (and I don't proclaim to speak for everyone here). Check through the threads on this forum and you'll find countless occassions with people in a tight bind and where you'll find other members help out, or Dan and Stephen come in with deep knoweldge and advice.

That, coupled to some hard work at the OASYS and actually reading the manual (which can be admittedly tough on screen and I admit to originally complaining about that but am now getting used to) means that we don't feel the need to gripe at Korg in particular. It's not that we're annoyed with Korg but are zipping it - we're just not annoyed at Korg! (we're not that nice - take a look at the sequencer threads - you'll find annoyance at Korg there!)

Kevin.

mdh wrote:

Its a technical manual. In fact, its a brilliant technical manual. Very clear and easy to read instructions, fairly well laid out, great TOC and index, cross-references, ... when you know what you want to do, its actually very helpful.

Seems like what you want is not a technical manual but some "n00bs guide to sounding like Jordan Rudess in 21 days, for dummies". There's a lot of third-party material you can use here in conjunction with the excellent documentation from Korg. The parameter guide is not meant to be read cover to cover and memorised - you should instead select the bit of information from it on an as-need basis.

What's even more fun is keeping the manuals in the cupboard and just trying to figure it out for yourself. That's how I've got my guitar rig & mic hooked up. (the mic was very frustrating though, took ages to figure out routing out the external inputs appears to disable any MFX/TFX options

Looks like you guys speak directly for Korg. ,
I don't really believe some people don't feel they need it,
C'man guys Just realize, What this forum would be" If " Korg were Invloved, They would definetily get your comments Banned.
I just believe that a video from Korg Would Help everyone how to get the Most from the Machine, I don't really think that anyone Know the machine from A to Z. Do you ???

Think about it.

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:22 pm

I assure you I do not speak for Korg – I have traditionally been a follower of Yamaha synths and bought OASYS from Turnkey over the web without even trying it out - a £6000 gamble.

While sadly Yamaha have fallen by the way-side in synthesizer innovation (but their team with the likes of Peter Peck and Dusty Miller in Yamaha-Kemble UK is equally passionate and impressive to Jerry, Dan and Steve); I take my hat off to Korg for their OASYS efforts, and M3. The whole experience from the instrument to Korg’s support to this independent forum has been excellent, by and large.

So I accept that a video would help understand the OASYS; but I do believe there is widespread satisfaction among the OASYS community on the range of learning options mentioned above. And - even though it's heavy going - the Parameter guide is an incredible document – some achievement in itself.

It appears that (part of) the OASYS community is feeling a little bruised because our M3 colleagues are getting all the attention But I don’t think that validates taking pot shots at Korg.

Again, Korg is a small company – it’s got to be OK that they are limited in what they can do. I'm glad to see Triton get a DVD or M3 to get upgrades - it shows that Korg do those things - and think as you want them to – where possible - across the entire range of their products. I don’t believe, as seem to be suggested by the negative posts here; that somehow Korg are not giving OASYS a DVD out of some sort of indifference or malice. Clearly that’s not the way Korg work.

I accept that a DVD would be valuable; but I do not see it as fair that Korg are being fired at on this (and other treads) just because we're not getting everything we want - Korg have been good to OASYS and honest brokers in all that they do.

As said, I’m traditionally NOT a Korg instrument user, but I have been mightily impressed with their business acumen over the past few years.

Kevin.

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:32 pm

Salcerin,

I agree that videos are a great way to learn and you should definitely get Mike's or you'll miss an excellent training tool.

I don't think Korg is going to go back and make one for a hand full of folks who are cranky about it, so what's the point of carrying on about it?

The "O" has been out for some time but it is NOT the instrument that keeps them afloat in the business world. The other boards ARE where they make their money.

You've had your say and the folks who count DID listen to customers and that's why the new stuff is coming with them. The reality is the "O"is too deep to make even a series of videos for with explanations on every single way to do everything it can do.

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:11 pm

IMHO there is nothing so fundamentally complicated about the Oasys that it requires that much explanation. You have a bunch of MIDI and audio recording concepts that have been around for years (decades!) and it's operation and structure are way simpler than something like a modern DAW. KARMA is a different kettle of fish, but there are a bunch of supporting materials for that and we have such great access to SK.

You could watch a video from the M50 or Triton right now to get the basic gist of how things work in a Korg workstation, it would be applicable for the most part to the Oasys. It wouldn't elevate you to the state of Korg Workstation Guru by any means, it would only cover the basics and the terminology.

The Oasys is to me totally self-explanatory operationally and the paradigm is very simple. It's also widely used in other gear. There is just a lot of functionality available and learning to bring that to bear creatively requires one thing that Korg can't provide ... TIME ! ... and a willing to spend that time exploring and learning. Reading the manuals won't get you far either, they are just about how it works rather than how actually use it.

Maybe I have a radically different view point and I am talking out of turn, but there is nothing in the Oasys I haven't seen before, and I suspect the same goes for many of the more experienced folks here too. What's novel is the depth of it. Looking at MOD-7 after FM7, or the MS20EX after using the MS20 AU, it's all very familiar indeed and easily understood, but there is a lot more available and a lot more creative avenues to explore. But it's still just MIDI and old school synthesis, and those techniques are so massively documented already. So it's a case of finding the time to play with and learn what you do and don't need to make your music. Plus as Francis Preve said, we are so lucky that all the factory material is "open source", it is the greatest learning resource we could have and a unique aspect of our particular world (synths and musictech). Just looking at a favourite program, combi or demo song is like taking a class with some of the greatest experts in our field. Dissecting those thing and getting interactive with it, is far more information than watching some holding forth on the TV.

That's my perspective ... I can imagine others might not see things the same way, and I am not trying to be contradictory

Daz.

p.s. this topic reminds me once again how lucky we are that Mike bought the Oasys and combined his expertise and community spiritedness.

MauroR · Post by **MauroR** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:06 pm

Anyways I meant a DVD on the programming side, I know the DVD from Mike which is awesome and I own (thanks Mike), but a video specific to programming it, it'll be more helpful and fun than read 1200 pages manual (that it's nor physical), just a thought.

sirCombatWombat · Post by **sirCombatWombat** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:48 pm

Kevin Nolan wrote:...
That, coupled to some hard work at the OASYS and actually reading the manual (which can be admittedly tough on screen and I admit to originally complaining about that but am now getting used to)
...

I think the PDF manual is great because of the Acrobat's fast search function, I shudder at the thought of 1200 pages of paper.

And it's environmentally responsible too.

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:47 pm

There are sections of the Param Guide (e.g. Dan's MOD-7 tutorial) that are worth reading as you would a tutorial, but the rest of it is reference material and not ideal for reading linearly. The PG is your encyclopedia. If synth programming is your particular interest then looking at the Programs on the machine will give you more insight than reading the fat book cover to cover.

2c,

Daz.