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Hi,

I want to use my EM-1 as a sequencer and trigger external samples on my Roland SP404 during a song. It works great and i have Synth part 2 (set to midi channel 2), triggering pads on the SP404 (who's... yup, channel is set to 2)

But of course every time the EM-1 triggers a pad on the sampler, it plays it's own Synth 2 note as well. The only way round this that i can see is to turn the level of Synth 2 right down... but this means i've lost the use of a Synth on my EM-1.

Is there any way round this?

If not, can any other EM-1 pad be sacrificed to make a dedicated trigger pad for the external sampler? Taking into account the SP404 has 72 pads available to trigger on a single midi channel that require note numbers B2 right through to A8# to access them all.

Thanks,
YDR

... anyone??

this is kind of a work around, but what if you sampled what ever was being played on synth 2 onto the sp-404 and then just trigger it like all the other samples? I don't think there is anyway around losing a synth track on the em-1

Thanks... though i was hoping to keep some of the synth lines on the EM-1 though so i can manipulate their effect sends independently from the SP404 (which only allows you to assign 1 effect at a time too)...

YDR

After a bit of experimentation i've realised using the EM-1 as a sequencer isn't possible as it's not polyphonic (doh!) and it won't allow me to trigger off multiple samples at the same time on my SP-404.

Time to trade in for a MKII??

YDR.

none of the electribes are poly. They are however great sequencers if you know what you're doing.

They are a lot of fun i agree and the whole Electribe / Roland SP series' approach to real-time effects manipulation (ie; immediate and fun as opposed to over-complex) have made equipment originally designed for dj's a blast for live bands who make use of them now (Boredoms, Liars, Panda Bear etc.)

It's just a shame they lack features that the bigger toys include without sacrificing the simplicity and fun that some of the more serious sequencers don't have. Hopefully the two worlds will collide soon.

Korg, if your listening... a Roland Sp404 / Electribe Em1 combined with midi in out and thru, polyphony, flashcard to transfer 24bit samples, 32 real-time effects (ranging from standard to out-right weird!) and 8 assignable 1/4" outputs please. If you have it ready for xmas i'll buy 2 and i know thom yorke will want one also.


cheers,
YDR

size and simplicity have nothing to do with polyphony. Honestly I do not see any reason why it was not implemented. The only thing affected would be the step sequencing functions but honestly I record most things real time and don't even use the step sequencer so I don't see a problem with it.

Ruso wrote:size and simplicity have nothing to do with polyphony. Honestly I do not see any reason why it was not implemented. The only thing affected would be the step sequencing functions but honestly I record most things real time and don't even use the step sequencer so I don't see a problem with it.

Maybe they thought it would be wierd to have polyphonic seq. when you can't use it with internal voices. I think the 5 voice limit is due to the processing power, and allowing for polyphonic voices on 5 parts would have required a much diffirent machine.

I'm pretty sure processing the play back of samples on the esx(basically same machine) and pitching slicing and time stretching them on the fly requires quite a bit more processing power then 5 synths that are so basic.

hi everyone, i've just been looking for this kind of thread for hour, glad to find one!


i have a similar problem, which is to use the emx as sequencer (only to give me a clic) and use it to send a midi message to a sp 555 to lauch stereo sample. (i'm drummer and i send sample live)

maybe it's vrey easy but i just don't manage! the emx always send the same midi message, it always turn on a pattern, the first in the bank. and i can't force it to turn on the songs i want.

i read the instruction book but there is not that much information about it.


can you help me? maybe i should create another thread to ask that?

(i've set channel 10 on both device, i don't know if that's good)

no one knows?

yoodooright wrote: Korg, if your listening... a Roland Sp404 / Electribe Em1 combined with midi in out and thru, polyphony, flashcard to transfer 24bit samples, 32 real-time effects (ranging from standard to out-right weird!) and 8 assignable 1/4" outputs please.

I realise that the following is a little off topic but anyway: A few years back I (and still today) was really hoping that Korg would release an Electribe similair to what you ask above yoodooright.

I had an SP404 at one point and disliked greatly its guess-work type Loop Marking method/no seperate channel outs but otherwise thought it a beauty and share your sentiment entirely.

I have all the mark1 electribe units and do love them for the price paid. But a more powerful combo option was obviously on the cards however the newer Emx/Esx were non starters for me personally (okay, they sounded xtra-superb compared to the mark1 'tribes but with the well reported less reliable parts/knob jitters and slightly backwards sound shaping/programming methods they have sadly - very sorry to say - rightfully failed, in the eyes of many musicians, as much as they have suceeded).

If the almost amazing Yamaha RS7000 sampler/synth groovebox had ditched its fairly crap sound engine and proposed a marriage with an analogue modelled Korg 'Tribe then I would have been a very happy chappy (a lot of manufacturers could learn so much more from each other for all our benefits if they chose to be inspired by competitors new designs) .

For now, hopefully Korg will show more respect and reject the cheap crap plastic toy-junk parts factory they currently favour for their new kit (EMX's/ESX's/Radia$'s and R3's should not have failing contacts/buttons/knobs, etc after only a few months to a year of normal use, me thinks!) AND release a new improved and reliable Super Electribe with all the good stuff added (easy R3 type Sound Programming & synthesis/Sampler w' Flash type Memory and biggg SP404 type sample time/much LONGER sequencer bars/faster, easier, better Editing of Sequence Data/assignable Kaoss Pad & Ribbon ARP/MicroX style mega customizable dual arpeggiators/Vocoder Formant Motion/FX Modulation Motion/CC#'s instead of NRPN's/at least 8 Separate outs that can still use the onboard FX /Radias type Bigger display screen/Beat stretch-Gate time-MIDI Delay knobs as on the Yamaha RM1x, etc, etc...you get the mesaage

I mean COME ON Korg?...Seeing Yamaha seems to have jumped out of the all in one box arena and Roland is still obsessed with their motto of building half total crap half pure ace snoozeboxes, why is Korg digging itself into a hole?
When the new Analogue synth+Drum machine by Dave Smith & Roger Linn is released and the new better sample managed Elektron MachineDrums hit the stores surely you will want the Electribe Users to still be in the game, right?

... n... no one knows?!!!

jano-le-scatto wrote:


... n... no one knows?!!!

i don't know how MIDI is implemented on the SP-555, so i can't really help on that end, but if i'm hearing you correctly, what you want to do is hit Play on the EMX and have the SP-555's sequencer start also? or are you just trying to sequence the sounds of the SP555 on the EMX? both should be relatively easy.

in either case, ensure that you have entered the EMX's MIDI Filter (under MIDI Utilities -- Shift +12), and enabled P and C. if you just want to trigger the sounds of the SP555 (but not its internal sequencer), enable N, and disable C.

if you want the EMX to start specific patterns on the SP-555, you might have to change the program change assignments in the SP-555, and i'm not sure if you can do that. they can't be changed on the EMX, so worst case scenario, you'll have to select each pattern on the SP555 each time you want them to play.

sorry if that confuses you further. i'm just not sure exactly what you want each machine to do.