Is this possible?

[Ultimate Dj]

Hey,
just something I couldn't find in the phone book.
When I have a couple instruments tied together in Parameters is it possible that when I record that I can adjust the volume separetly.
Like if I have a violin in track 1 and a synth in track 2 but there on the same track in Parameters. And I want to turn the Synth down, How can I do this?
every time I try to it just brings all the instruments as one!
any ideas?
thanks!

puravida
DJ

[Mike Conway]

When I have a couple instruments tied together in Parameters

"In parameters"? What does that mean?

Like if I have a violin in track 1 and a synth in track 2 but there on the same track in Parameters. And I want to turn the Synth down, How can I do this?

I don't understand how Track 1 and Track 2 end up on the "same track in parameters." Do you mean like programs that make up a combi? In that case, you can program the Vector Joystick to shift volumes. EQ/VECTOR/CONTROL tab, then press VECTOR VOLUME tab.

Additionally, you can record volume fader movements into the sequencer. Or, you can assign a knob, foot controller, etc. to control the volume of any program:

1) FILTER tab

2) FILTER1 and FILTER2 tabs

3) OUTPUT LEVEL - set the AMS to pedal, knob, etc., to bring up or down volume. You may have to set the Output Level to "0", if you want to fade it in.

[mikemolloyuk]

Hi

Have you got the hold balance tab ticked at the top of the mix screen.? This will bring all faders up or down relative to all the others in combi mode.

Mike

[sirCombatWombat]

If I remember correctly, at least while using Combi mode, sending CC#7 at global channel affects all channels, so try to change your midi channel from Global->MIDI. Also Karma might forward your CC#s, so try KARMA->GE-Setup->MIDI I/O: Track Thru:Off.

[Ultimate Dj]

When I have a couple instruments tied together in Parameters

"In parameters"? What does that mean?

Like if I have a violin in track 1 and a synth in track 2 but there on the same track in Parameters. And I want to turn the Synth down, How can I do this?

I don't understand how Track 1 and Track 2 end up on the "same track in parameters." Do you mean like programs that make up a combi? In that case, you can program the Vector Joystick to shift volumes. EQ/VECTOR/CONTROL tab, then press VECTOR VOLUME tab.

Additionally, you can record volume fader movements into the sequencer. Or, you can assign a knob, foot controller, etc. to control the volume of any program:

1) FILTER tab

2) FILTER1 and FILTER2 tabs

3) OUTPUT LEVEL - set the AMS to pedal, knob, etc., to bring up or down volume. You may have to set the Output Level to "0", if you want to fade it in.

sorry if I wasn't more clear.
I'm talking about in Sequencer. when I have two or more instruments say in Midi Track 1 & 2. Then you go to the Track Parameter page. and put them on the same track.
I record them as one. then i go back and record again and adjust the Volumes separately but when I play it back, the volume goes up and down together.

Maybe this is a little more clear?

thanks


puravida
CHe

[tritex4]

The midi data is recorded on a single track.......I don't think that you can control the
volume separately as long as both programs share the same midi channel.
After you're done recording, you could always copy the data to the empty track,
adjust the midi channel so that each track has it's own channel, then adjust the volume
separately.

You probably have something else going on that prevents you from doing it that way.
Just thought I'd throw it out there, anyway.

I'm sure there's another solution....others will weigh in.

[Mike Conway]

Yes, that makes sense and I verified what you said. The workaround is to record fader movements on a different channel. For example:

Track 1 Piano and Track 2 Strings are both set to channel 1. Track 2 is never actually channel 2. I recorded the fader movements on channel 3 and I was able to get the volumes to act independently.



The other workaround would be to use channel 1, for piano and keep strings on channel 2 (separate channels). You could record Track 1 and copy it to Track 2, so that your piano and strings play the exact same thing. Since they are on separate channels, you can record fader 1 to Track 1 and fader 2 to Track 2 (in Overdub mode), then it should be fine.

[Ultimate Dj]

Yes, that makes sense and I verified what you said. The workaround is to record fader movements on a different channel. For example:

Track 1 Piano and Track 2 Strings are both set to channel 1. Track 2 is never actually channel 2. I recorded the fader movements on channel 3 and I was able to get the volumes to act independently.

Thanks a lot to both of you!!! Definitely help me figure this out!
Not really sure what you meant about Recording the fader movements on channel 3??? How can you record on that channel?
thanks again!


puravida
DJ

[Ultimate Dj]

Yes, that makes sense and I verified what you said. The workaround is to record fader movements on a different channel. For example:

Track 1 Piano and Track 2 Strings are both set to channel 1. Track 2 is never actually channel 2. I recorded the fader movements on channel 3 and I was able to get the volumes to act independently.

Thanks a lot to both of you!!! Definitely help me figure this out!
Not really sure what you meant about Recording the fader movements on channel 3??? How can you record on that channel?
thanks again!


puravida
DJ

[Mike Conway]

Not really sure what you meant about Recording the fader movements on channel 3??? How can you record on that channel?

You know you have 16 channels (Tracks) to record on, right? You recorded to channel 1, by default. As in the above example, the string and piano programs are both set to channel 1 (via Track Paraemeters). What if you wanted to add several more instruments to the mix?

In Sequencer mode, make sure you are on the MIDI PROG/MIXER tab, so you can see all the fader volumes. Look under the name of the song and you will see:

"MIDI Track 01: MIDI TRACK 01".

Change that to channel (or Track) 03.

Now, press record on the sequencer and start moving faders. When you play back, the fader moves will play back, too.

Note: You must be in TIMBRE/TRACK mode, not AUDIO, EXTERNAL, KARMA or TONE ADJUST (the buttons on the left). In TIMBRE/TRACK, you move a fader and you can see it go up or down on the screen.

You don't have to record notes, just move the faders or pan pots.

[Charlie]

I used to record the fader movements always on a separate track - that makes editing them much easier and it works nicely. The only downside is that you have to sacrifice one Midi-Track for this.