With all the complaining around here....

[The Keyboard Wizard]

...please tell me EXACTLY what it is the unavailability of a new OASYS O.S. upgrade is preventing you from doing musically.

Personally, I can pretty much do anything I want without relying on KARMA and find the sequencer capable of recording any musical thought or idea I come up with.

FL
www.franklucas.net

[Sharp]

What your asking here has nothing to do with what everyone has been banging on about the last number of days. I think you have completely missed the point.

There's nothing wrong with the OASYS, it's freaking awesome as it stands. The problem is that KORG are treating it just like all the closed products they produce by where standard company policy applies.

Which is, KORG does not talk of future developments.

If you read what I said here.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 706#268706

That bit of text kind of encompasses everything that has been said here the last few days.

Nobody is saying that they are not happy with the OASYS at all.

Regards.
Sharp.

[The Keyboard Wizard]

What if Korg's not talking for a reason?
Let's just say that there will be no more future developments.
Will it still be freaking awesome as it stands?

My question was rhetorical. The realist that I am, I never bought into the
non-obsolescence portion of the sales pitch unless upgrading
hardware was going to part of the strategy. Considering the speed
in which hardware/computers become obsolete, when finally
making my purchase, I was of the mindset that there would be
a great chance that this would happen with the O. Considering
that this is 2009 and guys like Herbie and Jordan are STILL on
stage doing crazy things since '05, I'd say that the O has exceeded
my expectations and still continues to do so with the numerous
upgrades which have already taken place.

Remember the $250,000 Syclavier?

FL
www.franklucas.net

[lcmorley]

Please, let's not start another thread about this.

It is the same subject, in a different guise.

[Sharp]

What if Korg's not talking for a reason?

There's no “What If”about it, we know exactly why they don't talk of future developments becase we have been told enough of times on the fourm.

It's company policy. Nobody has a problem with that either as far as closed keyboards go. Which is everything KORG make except for the OASYS.

Let's just say that there will be no more future developments.
Will it still be freaking awesome as it stands?

I think your still missing the entire point. It's not about how good the OASYS is at all and never has been. It's about putting an end to all the stupid rumours and the endless ocean of threads wishing for things, wanting to know if the OASYS is discontined, what is KORG doing, why certain music stores no longer have it listed and so on...............

More importantly though it's also about how KORG need to change the way they deal with a product that is classed as open.

For example, look at what the OASYS can do now with all the new engines and enhancments. If KORG had of listed all that back on the day of it's release, you can be sure that a LOT more OASYS keyboards would have been sold as people would have bought the OASYS based on what it could do at that moment in time, and the fact that a clear and reassuring path of future developments had been set out.

Regards.
Sharp.

[Sharp]

Please, let's not start another thread about this.

I feel the same way.
I'm only repeating myself at this point in order to explain what has already been explained clearly enough.

If anyone wants to know more.....
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/search.php

Search the forum.

I'm done with this.

Regards
Sharp.

[Kevin Nolan]

...please tell me EXACTLY what it is the unavailability of a new OASYS O.S. upgrade is preventing you from doing musically.

Personally, I can pretty much do anything I want without relying on KARMA and find the sequencer capable of recording any musical thought or idea I come up with.

FL
www.franklucas.net

In relation to OASYS - your limited vision or requirements on what OASYS can potentially offer does not mean others here can't see or shouldn't desire other and far-reaching possibilities. I cited some examples already but here are some of them again:

- Many of us here recognise the actual but rarely articulated value of hardware synthesis, but see an increasingly software dominated world. So we're worried about the future of OASYS because it offers an exquisite hardware solution. Among my hardware synthesizers are the Yamaha CS80, Prophet T-8, DX1 and VL1; and so I can personally testify to the unique possibilities these instruments offer that softsynths and crude usb keyboard controllers cannot. In this light, OASYS offers an exquisite solution - offering superlative features even beyond many reputable hardware and software based synthesizers. So there has not been complaining - but a debate and a valid expression of concern over the increasing possibility that OASYS will cease development. We can't help that you cant see that standpoint, but it is a valid one.

- Karma is incredibly complex; and arguably in its infancy. It requires months of concentrated study to grasp the concepts - too long for most. Furthermore, its performance output is so complex that it is virtually useless in controlled compositions. Here, new GUI interface developments and Karma interfacing to some sort of object or midi-base Ableton Live type sequencing environment could provide sophisticated and intuitive access to Karma performances, where individual tracks and bars might be parsed and made readily editable. It's not clear to me that Stephen Kay agrees with this - he seems to be happy with the outouts being simply a fluid performance or recordable en-mass to a typical MIDI sequencer; but time will tell. Working with OL will arguably affect Kamra developments - arguably in ways I mention here because OL products are more 'beat' and 'groove' orientated. Hence, if developments like this are to occur, bot not for OASYS, then we will not have access to them. That is another legitimate grievance or cause for concern.

There are many other outstanding issues on this forum that people feel are quite legitimate. Of course we're all delighted with the OASYS as is just like you - but the difference is we see the possibilities and have future ambitions for the instrument.

Kevin

[The Keyboard Wizard]

Thanks for the input Kevin, but seriously.
I use the O, its internal sounds, and its CURRENT sequencer coupled with KARMA,
and run VST's (EastWest Plat, Orch, QL Pianos, Stormdrum, Symphonic Choirs), Omnisphere, the entire IK Suite, Ivory and a whole array of
other programs. I've also integrated the use of KARMA with Ableton 7.
It's a nice beautiful and compact setup I use in my Studio Room A to score to picture. It makes things like jingle work effortless.

I'd like to see anyone else here, besides Mike Conway, that even comes close to using the O's full potential in its current state.


FL
www.franklucas.net

[MauroR]

Totally agrre with Kevin and Sharp, well said guys, that's what I think too, even if in some posts I've been too harsh and not too much polite. I apologize for that.

[kenackr]

Frank,

Not to throw this off topic, but it's nice to meet another De Paul grad on the board. I went the Computer Science route at De Paul instead of music. Did all my work at the down town campus.

Ken

[The Keyboard Wizard]

Hi Ken,

So nice to see you here. I majored in piano performance and music ed.
Have you seen the Lincoln Park campus lately? Now I know where all our money went!


FL
www.franklucas.net

[kenackr]

Frank,

No, haven't been back to the area since 1990!

Chicago is a good town, always did like it.

Hope to see you around the boards.

Ken

[Stralner]

Hi Ken,

So nice to see you here. I majored in piano performance and music ed.
Have you seen the Lincoln Park campus lately? Now I know where all our money went!


FL
www.franklucas.net

Are you having plans for an Oasys video on youtube?

[Daz]

Wrong "keyboard wizard" ? There is another guy with a similar moniker that posts all those videos on youtube.

As for using the full potential of the Oasys, I have used an awful lot of what is there that's relevant to my way of working, but until the instrument gets the ability to edit programs and synthesize in the modes we actually work in it's rather a pig to really get the best out of it. Hence my enthusiasm to see an update that finally addresses that. In the meantime I spend a lot of time working mono-timbrally in Program mode, which really isn't making anywhere near the full use of this powerful synth. So yes, the current state of the instrument is limiting what I do musically. For example, lets take the situation where I plug in my MIDI'fied Godin guitar and use a Combi with 6 timbres (each set to the same program) to handle each of the strings. To edit the Program I have to switch to Program mode and then the synth only responds on the Global channel, which equates to my low E string. Of course I can change the Global channel, but I still can't test the sound by strumming a chord, or in the context of the effects that I have setup back in Combi mode.

If it didn't sound great and if the MOD-7, AL-1 et al. weren't so fine, it would be out on its ear

[Stralner]

Wrong "keyboard wizard" ? There is another guy with a similar moniker that posts all those videos on youtube.

Thanks for pointing that out