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EJ2 wrote:Hi Roc, what sounds are you indicating from the link? There is just so much going on in that video, not to mention a full symphonic orchestra.
Hey Eric click the link at the top of the page that says Tune In Now.
Pretty munch any of the tech sounds you hear, it seems thats all they deal with.I know The Oasys can do it just trying to figure out how to get it out.

Did you reed the first post, it's a quote by you a few years ago on Karma-Lab forum that inspired this thread ?

Thanks

Hey Skip put the camera down for a sec and jump on in. :lol:
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Hi everyone. My name is Steve McNally. Like Skip, I'm one of the Korg voicing team members. Some of my Oasys combis include "Birds On a Wire", "Gossamer Wind", "Chimes & Tines", "The Sneak", "His Resting Place", "Waiting Room", "Alto Sax Split 'n' Strut" and others. I'm a little late into this subject but I wanted to quickly add a couple things that may hopefully help to make your own combis. First, as you've gone thru the combis you've obviously noticed that they cover a wide range of approaches. That's because each one of the programmers has different approaches, musical influences, etc. Most of the time I approach voicing from a songwriting angle since that's one of my main interests. However, when I was working on the Oasys, the tools for movement and rhythm totally fascinated me as you'll hear in many of my combis. As far as 'how' to make them, that, again, is personal. I tend to make the sound itself first and then add what I think Karma should do (one of the members at the time did the complete opposite). I sometimes start with something as simple as putting the first 2 timbres on the same midi channel and then experimenting with combining 2 sounds together. Even jumping to the Tone Adjust control surface and shaping the sounds (Forget about what each slider, switch and knob does - just tweak and experiment). I don't tend to say in my mind "I'm going to make a String pad with a bell" and then make it. I let the creativity and interaction with the Oasys take me to my final sound - the same way I write music. I may start with the seed of the idea, but experimenting gives me my final song idea - the same with voicing. The problems many times lead to not only the answer but a cool result. For example, on "Bird on a Wire" (A25) I called up the Grain Shifter effect which made my original effort sound awful. I tried putting a Belltree thru it instead and it made this great rhythmic metalic sound. Next problem was it was always there and soon became irritating. So I used Vector to bring it in and out rhythmically. This led to adding the BPM Ribbon Trance sound to give it rhythm in the mid frequencies and on and on. My point is: experiment. You won't break anything. Good luck!
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Hi steve , nice to see you onboard :D

I've seen your DVD Korg promo about 1323 times!. I Play birds on a wire & variations very often.

I wanted to ask you this though steve. On the DVD, you play a Motion loop "witout" using the Vector Joystick "loopable motion envelope" i think" And this beautiful pad sound. Which one is it?.


Thanks once again for all the great souns you steve/Jack (hotop)/Ski(wavestation!)Dan/Skippy/Eric/RC, and many more - not forgetting KARO/Sharp/Kevin as well:)


Anthony
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Thanks for the welcome AnthonyB! I'm not sure what sound that is - is there a link I could go to and watch it? I could probably tell if I heard it again. I'm probably telling you something you already know, but you can choose points on the Vector and then have it move from point to point and loop it in a variety of ways. That's how I'm bringing the 'wire' sound in and out. Anyway - let me know if there's a link I can go to... although I hate watching myself - ughhh! :)
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BeeBrother wrote: is there a link I could go to and watch it? I could probably tell if I heard it again. I'm probably telling you something you already know, but you can choose points on the Vector and then have it move from point to point and loop it in a variety of ways. That's how I'm bringing the 'wire' sound in and out. Anyway - let me know if there's a link I can go to... although I hate watching myself - ughhh! :)
Yes, its here http://www.korg.com/mediaplayer.aspx?md=1845&pd=214 starts 8 Mins 25 secs, ends at 9 mins 30 - with the sound I'm talking about at 9 mins 15 secs.:)

At's all good Steve (Aka Beebrother) :D

Also love your PA series Demos - such enthusiasm as well 8) .

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Rocness

This is what the f!@# I'm talking about, Thank You Thank You

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BeeBrother wrote:Hi everyone. My name is Steve McNally. Like Skip, I'm one of the Korg voicing team members. Some of my Oasys combis include "Birds On a Wire", "Gossamer Wind", "Chimes & Tines", "The Sneak", "His Resting Place", "Waiting Room", "Alto Sax Split 'n' Strut" and others. I'm a little late into this subject but I wanted to quickly add a couple things that may hopefully help to make your own combis. First, as you've gone thru the combis you've obviously noticed that they cover a wide range of approaches. That's because each one of the programmers has different approaches, musical influences, etc. Most of the time I approach voicing from a songwriting angle since that's one of my main interests. However, when I was working on the Oasys, the tools for movement and rhythm totally fascinated me as you'll hear in many of my combis. As far as 'how' to make them, that, again, is personal. I tend to make the sound itself first and then add what I think Karma should do (one of the members at the time did the complete opposite). I sometimes start with something as simple as putting the first 2 timbres on the same midi channel and then experimenting with combining 2 sounds together. Even jumping to the Tone Adjust control surface and shaping the sounds (Forget about what each slider, switch and knob does - just tweak and experiment). I don't tend to say in my mind "I'm going to make a String pad with a bell" and then make it. I let the creativity and interaction with the Oasys take me to my final sound - the same way I write music. I may start with the seed of the idea, but experimenting gives me my final song idea - the same with voicing. The problems many times lead to not only the answer but a cool result. For example, on "Bird on a Wire" (A25) I called up the Grain Shifter effect which made my original effort sound awful. I tried putting a Belltree thru it instead and it made this great rhythmic metalic sound. Next problem was it was always there and soon became irritating. So I used Vector to bring it in and out rhythmically. This led to adding the BPM Ribbon Trance sound to give it rhythm in the mid frequencies and on and on. My point is: experiment. You won't break anything. Good luck!
Wow, Steve, is it really you.
Thanks so munch for jumping in and welcome, welcome to this forum. Thanks for sharing your vision and approach to combi creation you are very passionate about the music and it shows in your work.I'm going to check out all the combi's you talked about and I'm going to try some of your techniques to combi creation (I never looked at combi creation like you ,I can't wait to dig into tone adjust).After hearing from you and Skip it seems you guys take great pride in the amazing combi's you made.Please jump
in at anytime and share, please don't keep all your genius to your self.As Jerry said somewhere in a post The Oasys is a "wonderful musical instrument" any insight to it from the minds who help make it is a true blessing.

Peace
Roc
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Yes, its here http://www.korg.com/mediaplayer.aspx?md=1845&pd=214 starts 8 Mins 25 secs, ends at 9 mins 30 - with the sound I'm talking about at 9 mins 15 secs.:)

At's all good Steve (Aka Beebrother) :D

Also love your PA series Demos - such enthusiasm as well 8) .

AnthonyB[/quote]

The first sound is A17 Liquid Evolution VJS. The second sound is a version of my A12 The 5th Vector. When I made it during the original voicing I made the vector movement very subtle. When I started doing the Oasys shows/video I made it more obvious - which I like a lot better.
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Re: This is what the f!@# I'm talking about, Thank You Thank

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Rocness wrote:
Wow, Steve, is it really you.
Thanks so munch for jumping in and welcome, welcome to this forum. Thanks for sharing your vision and approach to combi creation you are very passionate about the music and it shows in your work.I'm going to check out all the combi's you talked about and I'm going to try some of your techniques to combi creation (I never looked at combi creation like you ,I can't wait to dig into tone adjust).After hearing from you and Skip it seems you guys take great pride in the amazing combi's you made.Please jump
in at anytime and share, please don't keep all your genius to your self.As Jerry said somewhere in a post The Oasys is a "wonderful musical instrument" any insight to it from the minds who help make it is a true blessing.

Peace
Roc
Thanks Roc! The voicing team is just a bunch of musicians that do it for the same reason you guys do: We love music, we love sounds and we love Korg. I had a big change in my music when I finally remembered why I started playing in the first place - I just love it. Not because I wanted to be rich or famous or have every piece of gear ever made - just because I love music. A big weight came off and my music really benefited from that.

I do travel a lot doing Korg demos but I'll try to pop in from time to time. Cheers!
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Post by Charlie »

@Bee: I like the way you described to come up with new Combis ... and I believe you have a powerfull attitude helping to create great music/sounds.
:verycool:

This is a remarkable thought: "Forget about each knob/slider - just tweak and experiment" - it takes off all the stuff one carries with him: "I have to know this, to understand that etc. befor I'm ready to create". Many thanx for this great view!! 8)
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