Can combi's do midi out per keyzone ?

iksrazal · Post by **iksrazal** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:50 pm

Hi all,

Let me first explain what I'm trying to do, as the method I'm trying to accomplish it may not make sense. I created some combi's, and I solo on them via a keyzone. After a solo from that keyzone using Oasys sounds, I'd like to solo using another racks sounds - like a access TI desktop. How can I do that? Can combi's and programs do midi in/out, ie, without seq mode ? Due to space limitations, the O is the only physical keyboard I have setup currently.

Basically I'm trying to decide whether to buy a TI desktop or keyboard, since a lot of what I do is goofing off in combi mode. With a TI keyboard, I'd have to build some shelves or something so it'd fit, and just keep the O combi going, play on the other keyboard, with the other keyboards output going directly to a mixer. Please clue me in if I'm not making sense

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Thanks!
Robert

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:34 pm

Hi Robert,

I´m not sure if I got you right, but what you want to do is to play via the same zone on the Oasys keyboards other soft or hardware synth?

One solution for this should be, that the Oasys is sending midi data on the basic channel and the midi channel you chose for the timbre in combie mode. So f.e. if your basic channel is 1 and you set the midi channel for playing external devices of one or more timbres on let´s say 2, 3, 4 or whatever, then just create a zone with a timbre using that midi channel(s) and it will play the correspnding channels of your ext devices. To switch sounds you can switch the timbres on and of to change beetween different timbres / different midi channels or if you don´t use karma in the combie you can change/layer sounds and timbres with different midi channel like described in the tips and tricks section above.

Hope that helps.

SoulBe

iksrazal · Post by **iksrazal** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:37 pm

Thanks for the reply SoulBe. I read your comments a few times and matched them with the O docs, and I think we're close to being on the same page. Perhaps if I gave a concrete example it'd help to see if your advice would work? (I don't have the space to try this yet with another keyboard. My goal for now is to decide what to buy - preferably rack type gear) .

One of the stock combi's on the O is leadsplits --> Guitar heaven. Now, suppose after soloing on track 1 "screaming tube guitar" patch a bit, I now want to solo on another external device . By default track 1 of "Guitar heaven" is set in the keyzone to be between keys C-4 and G-9 . So what I want to do is play from the O in between C-4 and G-9 and have a patch on an external rack play in that range instead of "screaming tube guitar" . And I'd like to switch back and forth relatively easily. Can I use the advice you posted to do that?

Thanks!
Robert

nytcrawlr · Post by **nytcrawlr** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:43 pm

You can do it; I've done this with my Radias rack in the past. I don't have the exact info at the moment as I'm at work, but perhaps this evening I will have some time to post the Page in which you can set INT/EXT for the MIDI channel. I actually have a Virus TI rack and a Waldorf Blofeld being delivered tomorrow, so I will be heavily relying on this feature.

niconici · Post by **niconici** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:09 pm

thats no problem. just create a new timbre in your combi and set it to ext2. now you can choose the midi channel on which midi data will be send. you have to assign the rac device to another chanel than your globeal channel otherwise anything you do on you oasys will have effekt on the extrnal device. If you did so you can switch you timresyou need on and off via the switches on the control surface. an alternative way is to programm you setlist incremetaly into you oasys an cycle thru them via a footswitch thats the way i do.

SoulBe · Post by **SoulBe** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:10 pm

Hi Robert,

I´m not in front of my O but it should work.

For every track/timbre of the combie you can set a different midichannel on the tab timbre parameter / midi. So in your example you have the solo sound on timbre/Track 1 (guitar). If you set another "free" timbre/track on let´s say midichannel 10, then it won´t effekt the internal engine, because global channel (=what you can hear) is 1 and only tracks with midi channel 1 (or according to rechanneled karma others) effect the internal engine. If you put the status of the track on timbre parameter/midi to "ext" it will send midi data on channel f.e. 10.
Now you should be able to change sounds by switching the timbres on and of with the buttons of the control section (make sure that you are in "timbre/track"-mode) which actually mute the timbres (but I have to check it out on my O if the timbre that is set to ext also sends no midi data, if switched to mute) or set it to "off" which would be uncomfortable but defintetively stopping sending midi data.
What should work is using karma for switching the timbre(s) on/of : (if you don´t need karma in the combie) like described in the tips and tricks threat above.
But as I said, I´m not in front of my O and I can check it out on thursday at my next rehearsal

SoulBe

iksrazal · Post by **iksrazal** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:31 am

Thanks for the help guys. I created a new timbre with ext2, and tested it via midi-in on my computer to a soft sequencer - which worked fine. So rack gear will work fine for me, thanks everyone.