Combinations in SEQ mode

diez · Post by **diez** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:27 am

I want to use combination while SEQ mode is active. Meaning assign keyboard to combination, not program.

Example:
* It's live performance
* I start song from sequencer
* I want to play combination (for example, I want keyboard to be splitted like it's possible in combination mode)

As I've understood, only programs can be assigned for keyboard in SEQ mode. Is it correct?
Any solutions for live performances?

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:44 am

A combination contains references to 8 programs; a sequence contains references to 16. You can't assign a combi to a sequencer. What you can do is create a new song in the sequencer using a particular combi. Go into sequencer mode, hit the utility button, and choose 'Copy from Combi'.

diez · Post by **diez** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:55 am

kanthos wrote:Go into sequencer mode, hit the utility button, and choose 'Copy from Combi'.

Thanks for advice, kanthos! Just have tried it.

But how could I use "split" mode (I mean different programs for different parts of the keyboard) in my performances while song from sequencer is being played? Is it possible at all?

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:01 am

You can play live in a sequence. What you'll do is record MIDI data on some of the tracks and play from the keyboard on others. It's not really a split mode so much as playing along with pre-recorded stuff. Keep in mind that you're only recording MIDI, so polyphony matters: the tracks in the background will decrease the number of notes you can play at once on the keyboard without things cutting off.

Also, once you've copied from a combi, you can edit the individual sounds for the tracks and can add more.

diez · Post by **diez** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:15 am

It's clear. So.... if I start song in seq mode -- I can only play on keyboard only within single program (no real split). Right?

In this case I will need one more workstation if I want to play sequenced song and use key-split at the moment... Right?

By the way, I've lately found feature how to extend my performances: it's possible to write MIDI events that change PROGs on my active track, so I don't need to change programs manually when song is played.

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:10 am

No, not at all. I wouldn't use the word split here either, since it means something different (part of the keyboard is playing one sound or layer of sounds, and the rest of the keyboard is playing something else).

If you start a song from scratch in sequencer mode, you can still build it up by changing the programs that are assigned to each track, adding effects, setting each track to only respond to certain key and velocity zones, the same way you'd create a combi. Really, a sequencer is like a combi in a lot of ways.

diez · Post by **diez** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:24 am

Ok. Let me simplify question.

Imagine I have created a song in SEQ that that contains drums only

And I want to use on my performance 2 octaves of my keyboard to play acoustic bass and rest 3 octaves to play grand piano.

Meaning drums are playing from SEQ song, my left hand plays bass and right hand plays piano.

Is it possible?

Thank you for your patience!

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:41 pm

Yes. The sequencer has exactly 16 tracks, whether you use them all or not. Not all sequencer tracks need to also have recorded data. If you like, you can even use just the sequencer mode for playing live without any recording at all.

In your case, take two unused tracks, set one for your acoustic bass sound and another for piano. Go into the KeyZ item on the menu (3:3) and limit the bass to the bottom two octaves of your keyboard (tip: highlight the lower or upper limit of a key zone, hold down Enter, and press a key on your keyboard to set the limit based on that key instead of having to remember whether the second C from the left side of your keyboard is C4 or C5) and limit the piano to the top three octaves. If the ranges aren't exactly what you want (piano is too high or bass is too low), go into the Param1 menu (3:1) and select the Pitch tab to transpose the instruments.

On the MIDI...8 or MIDI...16 tab under Param1, set the MIDI channel of your bass and piano tracks to be the same, and make sure that when you save your sequence and go back to the main Play screen, that either the bass or piano track is selected. Since you have a shared MIDI file, you'll be able to play on both at once, but the key zone you set up will split the keyboard the way you want.

Old Guy · Post by **Old Guy** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:38 pm

I was reading your post and I'm wondering if it's possible to do a keyboard split in Song Play Mode. I'm using some midi files as backing tracks. I'm using unused midi chanel's for organ or whatever instruments fits with what I'm doing. The midi file (backing tracks)seem to play much better in Song Play than in Sequencer Mode. I can't see where I can split the keyboard on the track I'm playing on but maybe I'm missing something. I've been through the parameter guide but can't seem to find any answers.

Is it possible to split the keyboard in Song Play?

Thanks

Old Guy

BruceL · Post by **BruceL** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:51 am

instead of song play mode load the midi/song file into triton sequencer mode
then, follow kanthos above instructions....viola!

diez · Post by **diez** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:49 pm

Guys, thanks!

I've found out.

The main thing was that:
* In Global mode you can select MIDI channel for keyboard (automatically changed when you change current track in SEQ mode)
* You can assign tracks to particular MIDI channel in SEQ-P2 section. And that when you copy from Combination -- it's assigned automatically.

So, answer is:
It's impossible to play Combination in SEQ mode, so just:
* Copy combination to sequencer as several tracks, with zones and velos
* Assign all of these tracks to the same channel
* Viola!

The only problem is that you can't re-assign zones/velos. Only programs can be changed. Am I correct?

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:44 am

diez wrote:The only problem is that you can't re-assign zones/velos. Only programs can be changed. Am I correct?

Nope. A sequence contains, to the best of my knowledge, *every* setting used in a combi PLUS settings used for sequences only. I don't believe there's anything you can change in a combi that you can't also change in sequencer mode.

diez · Post by **diez** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:23 pm

You misunderstand.

Look. You have possibility to change programs in real-time, while song is playing.

But when you change real combination -- zones/velos are changed (scroll througs combinations in COMBI mode). But in SEQ mode you can only change programs inside of "combination" (actually copy of combination in seq mode), and you cannot change zones/velos settings while song is playing -- there are not such kind of MIDI-events...

Understood my complicated explanation?

kanthos · Post by **kanthos** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:30 pm

Why would you want to change everything in real time? Even if you could, it's not going to be fast enough to do live. If you want to do live performance, just change sequences. For that matter, why are you playing in sequencer mode? There's only one reason to do so if you have no previously-sequenced material or RPPR material that you're playing along with, and the way you're talking about combis and such says that you're clearly not playing in sequencer mode for that reason. Why not just play in combi mode?

Of course, if you're playing in combi mode, it still makes no sense to change a bunch of programs and zones in realtime, so make two or more combis for your song and switch between them.