can i perform the secret mode(ks 01) in the kspro ...where i record live changes in the loop length (16 to 8 to1 bar) and create stutters and glitches...?????
and if i actually can...can this result be saved to one of the 4 banks?[/b]
kaossilator pro vs ks original, loop length question
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As far as I know, this is not possible. The way you can "glitch" the banks does not record, as that would require the KPro to be able to resample.
And then if you could do that, you'd be able to use the effects on your bank loops and it would be an even better beast than it is.
But, sadly, this is not possible using only the KPro.
And then if you could do that, you'd be able to use the effects on your bank loops and it would be an even better beast than it is.
But, sadly, this is not possible using only the KPro.
thanx for yout answer...
its very sad to know that...i was going to get the koosspro since i enjoy makng stuttered - glitchy beats and harmonies with kaoss01(i wished kaosspro be a more handy-usefull-less toy-tool)...but this isnot going to happen....so kaosso1 its far better for my use..
i might go for KP3 and record -save my kaoss01 sessions in the 4 banks and then edit them with the wide range of effects kp3 provides....
what do you think about that..?
its very sad to know that...i was going to get the koosspro since i enjoy makng stuttered - glitchy beats and harmonies with kaoss01(i wished kaosspro be a more handy-usefull-less toy-tool)...but this isnot going to happen....so kaosso1 its far better for my use..
i might go for KP3 and record -save my kaoss01 sessions in the 4 banks and then edit them with the wide range of effects kp3 provides....
what do you think about that..?
I have to disagree with you about the KPro being a toy. Yes, in the grand scheme of things, it's more of a toy than traditional instruments and even traditional synths, but only in that it is still quite a novel way to make music.
It does have the "Pro" label and, although there are many arguably more "pro" devices, the KPro does live up to that name.
As for making glitchy music, the gate arp feature means you can make any one of the patches "glitch" and only record it when you want to, as opposed to the original Kaossilator, which, I believe, when it was set to the 'dly' mode and you could record these glitches, when you'd done a glitch of any kind, it was there to stay. This is not the case with the KPro.
However, I have little idea exactly what kind of music you'd like to make and how "glitchy" you want it to be and how you intend to incorporate said "glitches" but maybe a KP3 would suit you better. Maybe the questions you might need to answer are: will you need LOADS of different kinds of effects? Will you want the option to overdub your loops? Do you need more in the way of musical input (i.e. synth sounds)?
Hope this helps but, at the end of the day, it's your decision and only you knows exactly what you intend to do with whatever you buy.
It does have the "Pro" label and, although there are many arguably more "pro" devices, the KPro does live up to that name.
As for making glitchy music, the gate arp feature means you can make any one of the patches "glitch" and only record it when you want to, as opposed to the original Kaossilator, which, I believe, when it was set to the 'dly' mode and you could record these glitches, when you'd done a glitch of any kind, it was there to stay. This is not the case with the KPro.
However, I have little idea exactly what kind of music you'd like to make and how "glitchy" you want it to be and how you intend to incorporate said "glitches" but maybe a KP3 would suit you better. Maybe the questions you might need to answer are: will you need LOADS of different kinds of effects? Will you want the option to overdub your loops? Do you need more in the way of musical input (i.e. synth sounds)?
Hope this helps but, at the end of the day, it's your decision and only you knows exactly what you intend to do with whatever you buy.
i never said that kpro is a toy...i said it for the kp01...
i am interested in what is about the arp gate mode of kpro you refer to,
please send me an example (video or audio) via link to understand the use of it (according to the "sound" i discribed).
also if i want "the option to to overdub my loops" ...kp3 should be my choice?
thanx for your answers..you are really helpfull.
i am interested in what is about the arp gate mode of kpro you refer to,
please send me an example (video or audio) via link to understand the use of it (according to the "sound" i discribed).
also if i want "the option to to overdub my loops" ...kp3 should be my choice?
thanx for your answers..you are really helpfull.
I just took that you thought the KPro was just as much a toy as the original from this:
(i wished kaosspro be a more handy-usefull-less toy-tool)...but this isnot going to happen...
But fair enough. If that's not how you meant it, that's not how you meant it. My mistake.
What I meant by saying you can use the gate arp to make glitches is that you can set it really high/fast and it will do the same thing to whatever you're playing on the pad (be it a synth sound or a drum pattern) as altering the phrase length can do.
See what this Japanese chap does at about 5:40 to a drum pattern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iRf2segRDA
Overdubbing of individual samples is the KPro's territory i.e. the 4 Banks are like 4 original Kaossilators (but without the undo feature).
However, the KP3 offers resampling but not overdubbing, meaning that you could have three samples/loops loaded and then play them and resample them to the fourth bank, freeing up the first three for other use but once a sample is recorded onto a KP3 bank, there is no way to add to overdub on it individually.
(i wished kaosspro be a more handy-usefull-less toy-tool)...but this isnot going to happen...
But fair enough. If that's not how you meant it, that's not how you meant it. My mistake.
What I meant by saying you can use the gate arp to make glitches is that you can set it really high/fast and it will do the same thing to whatever you're playing on the pad (be it a synth sound or a drum pattern) as altering the phrase length can do.
See what this Japanese chap does at about 5:40 to a drum pattern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iRf2segRDA
Overdubbing of individual samples is the KPro's territory i.e. the 4 Banks are like 4 original Kaossilators (but without the undo feature).
However, the KP3 offers resampling but not overdubbing, meaning that you could have three samples/loops loaded and then play them and resample them to the fourth bank, freeing up the first three for other use but once a sample is recorded onto a KP3 bank, there is no way to add to overdub on it individually.
The KP3 does it but does it differently. It can chop up your samples/loops using the 1-8 buttons at the top (which offer different chopped up portions of the loop/sample you have selected) whereas the KPro does it using the turnable knob.
I'm not entirely sure whether the KP3 increments are the same as the ones used by the KPro though.
I think, then, one of your big questions to answer is: will you be using only your pre-made samples that you load in via the line in or do you want some synth capability too? If you want synth capability, do you want alot of it and a quite varied selection? Or are effects more important to you because you'll primarily be using your own samples?
I'm not entirely sure whether the KP3 increments are the same as the ones used by the KPro though.
I think, then, one of your big questions to answer is: will you be using only your pre-made samples that you load in via the line in or do you want some synth capability too? If you want synth capability, do you want alot of it and a quite varied selection? Or are effects more important to you because you'll primarily be using your own samples?
it seems by your help tha Kpro is a more flexible tool...but as i can use the synth capabilities of my kp01 ...kp3 is more usefull to me as a looper and effect box.(i think for now)...
the truth is i want them both..
you are very helpfull though..,,
i might have some more questions later....
thanx again!!!
the truth is i want them both..
you are very helpfull though..,,
i might have some more questions later....
thanx again!!!
i had the samewishIist..mitspats wrote:it seems by your help tha Kpro is a more flexible tool...but as i can use the synth capabilities of my kp01 ...kp3 is more usefull to me as a looper and effect box.(i think for now)...
the truth is i want them both..
you are very helpfull though..,,
i might have some more questions later....
thanx again!!!
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