mini KP output level...

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:18 pm

I have recently acquired a mini KP and I have just running my Kaossilator through it but the volume was much quieter than I expected... So I took out the mini KP, which caused the volume to return to normal. How come the mini KP cuts out so much volume? The batteries are new and there was no effect on.

Maybe its size is not the only reason for its name...

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:23 pm

I've noticed this and I think it is mainly down to optimisation for battery power

It seems to output somewhere around -10dB, and its input seems to be limited there too, in that if I directly connect the output from my keyboard to it at full volume it will always clip. Instead I have to run it through my mixer and use the aux bus level which I have taped down at -10dB to stop it clipping the input, then it comes back through a stereo channel strip with the fader taped down at +10dB to bring it back up to level. I know, it sounds stupid, but its the only way I could get it to match the rest of my gear in insert mode.

So there is definitely something odd about it.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:27 pm

Fair enough. Thank you for putting my mind at ease that there's not just something wrong with mine. I did pick it up for £40 though, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's something wrong with it.

Bowmoney · Post by **Bowmoney** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:29 pm

i have found something similar as well...

I run my kaossilator into a stereo mixer, and adjusting the right or left channel independently of the other drastically cuts down my output, even when turning up the volume, when connected to the mini kp

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:35 pm

Mr36 wrote:I have recently acquired a mini KP and I have just running my Kaossilator through it but the volume was much quieter than I expected... So I took out the mini KP, which caused the volume to return to normal. How come the mini KP cuts out so much volume? The batteries are new and there was no effect on.

Maybe its size is not the only reason for its name...

direct vs send mode?

just a guess

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:42 pm

It's using direct mode, which it should be, shouldn't it? Send is for send and return connection, isn't it?

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:24 pm

Mr36 wrote:It's using direct mode, which it should be, shouldn't it? Send is for send and return connection, isn't it?

Yes.
Although yes, in send mode running through a mixer the dry signal wouldn't be affected, so I can see how many people might not notice this situation. You'd rarely actually expect a 50:50 mix level.

Having said that, I never understood the usefulness of send mode except on reverb, delay, chorus etc programs.

for example distortion and especially the filters should work a lot better as 100% wet (direct) effects which is usually difficult to achieve with a mixer's FX send.

Scott M2 · Post by **Scott M2** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:10 am

X-Trade wrote:
Mr36 wrote:It's using direct mode, which it should be, shouldn't it? Send is for send and return connection, isn't it?
Yes.
Although yes, in send mode running through a mixer the dry signal wouldn't be affected, so I can see how many people might not notice this situation. You'd rarely actually expect a 50:50 mix level.

Having said that, I never understood the usefulness of send mode except on reverb, delay, chorus etc programs.

for example distortion and especially the filters should work a lot better as 100% wet (direct) effects which is usually difficult to achieve with a mixer's FX send.

I generally agree - but I've been surprised how often that this can be interesting and useful too.
Jamie, the other fellow in dreamSTATE, always has a nasty filter available on a send
and adds strong moving layers to his sounds by bringing in and manipulating it.

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