So are us KAOSS Pad Users kind of Screwed?

[metamorphfly]

The 2010 KAOSS Pad Pro looks awesome with all it's vocoding effects.

What is the best value of a normal KAOSS Pad now?

Is it best to just sell it?

I love the size of the KAOSSILATOR so I'm not such much worried about the fact that the KP Pro does what it does, but it does much more.

I wish there was just a little bit of give from companies, including the best like KORG, that offer some kind of discount trade-in where they can give disadvantage kids equipment to learn music on (God knows we need as much music education for kids as possible and that includes any equipment) so that some of us can upgrade on products we just got done purchasing.

[Scott M2]

The little Koassilator does several things the larger one unfortunately doesn't.
AND you can take it on the bus or into the yard or wherever to make sounds & music.
Record something great you've made when you return to the studio.
Use rechargable batteries and it will easily last through a gig or a jam session.

Ignore these comments if you're not comparing the Koassilator to the Koassilator Pro.

[metamorphfly]

The little Koassilator does several things the larger one unfortunately doesn't.
AND you can take it on the bus or into the yard or wherever to make sounds & music.
Record something great you've made when you return to the studio.
Use rechargable batteries and it will easily last through a gig or a jam session.

It's still a bummer. A lot of companies are being friendlier these days by offering the compromise of a discount trade-in with a working unit.

A child or teen gets or someone else who qualifies for financial aid gets a free used unit.

The Hard Core FAITHFUL FAN OF KORG, get a discount upgrade.

Seems like a reasonable proposition - outside of that it's just damn frustrating.

Anybody know a place where I can get spec if I can't sell it, to take it a part and allow a programmatic control of the control surface for the KAOSS PAD (Original Version, which I didn't get more than a year ago).

Do they have a default warranty by the way because my AC Adapter Plugin is fine, it's that Female plug-in part that's loose inside (not my me the things been sitting there) and has always had occasion to just Power out. Now it's worse than ever.

[salamanderanagram]

" A lot of companies are being friendlier these days by offering the compromise of a discount trade-in with a working unit."

you seem to be under the impression that a kpro is better than a kp3. i don't understand why, frankly. the kpro is a synth (not really, but we'll call it that for simplicity's sake), the kp3 is an FX unit. they are not the same at all.

also, i can think of only one company offering a discount for trading in older intruments and that is livid instruments, a very very small company. i don't know of any larger companies with such a program. what value is an old piece of hardware to them? none at all.

[metamorphfly]

you seem to be under the impression that a kpro is better than a kp3. i don't understand why, frankly. the kpro is a synth (not really, but we'll call it that for simplicity's sake), the kp3 is an FX unit. they are not the same at all.

Well, I might be mis-understanding but this video refers to it as features added to KP3 users.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... DAodihxoDw

It shows one part where he's sampling using the SD card. It looks like a KAOSS PAD exactly, just the internals modified with perhaps a chip and some integration to provide 4 KAOSCILLATORS in one.

The Phrase Record looks extremely easy also.

[X-Trade]

I don't know if part of this is a misconception related to your mistaking the name. (I'm not trying to pick at tiny details by the way - just pointing out).

It is not a 'KAOSS PAD Pro'. Or 'KP Pro'.
It is a 'Kaossilator Pro'. Meaning a synthesizer/instrument with the unique feature/interface of being controlled by the touchpad.
Different to the 'Kaoss Pad' units which are actually effect processors controlled by a touchpad.

So technically it is about the same to a Kaossilator as the KP3 is to a mini-KP. This is also fairly obvious from the formfactor/design.

It is however not an upgrade over the KP3. It is a parallel product in the Kaoss family with a different purpose.


The main points of the KOPro is that it offers four simultaneous live loopers. Not really samplers. The KP3 has samplers and they operate very differently. In some ways more flexible, but perhaps not so great for the improvised live looping that the KOPro excels at.



I hope that helps to make things a bit clearer.

[metamorphfly]

it is about the same to a Kaossilator as the KP3 is to a mini-KP

I hope that helps to make things a bit clearer.

That does clear it up, a lot.

But the Kaoscillator Pro does have 4 of them
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Sample, or am I wrong on the sampling.

[X-Trade]

it is about the same to a Kaossilator as the KP3 is to a mini-KP

I hope that helps to make things a bit clearer.

That does clear it up, a lot.

But the Kaoscillator Pro does have 4 of them
+
Sample, or am I wrong on the sampling.

It doesn't have 'four of them'. It was said it was 'like having four of them'.
You get one sound engine - that is triggered by the touch pad. But you don't need more than one 'live' synth part. Then you have the four loop banks. What these do is allow you to overdub your playing to each of them live, and mute/unmute them to create variation in the arrangement of your track.
They can also work with external audio, but it is not really sampling. It is looper, which is a slightly different thing.
The loops are continuously running - you don't re-trigger them or 'launch' them, you just mute and unmute and record to them, a bit like an endless 'sound-on-sound' or 100% feedback delay. You can save and load the contents of the loop, but it is far less flexible than the sampling on the KP3. You can't chop up the loop or retrigger it, and it is forced to the KOPro's tempo rather than being a loop of any length.

[metamorphfly]

it is about the same to a Kaossilator as the KP3 is to a mini-KP

I hope that helps to make things a bit clearer.

That does clear it up, a lot.

But the Kaoscillator Pro does have 4 of them
+
Sample, or am I wrong on the sampling.

It doesn't have 'four of them'. It was said it was 'like having four of them'.
You get one sound engine - that is triggered by the touch pad. But you don't need more than one 'live' synth part. Then you have the four loop banks. What these do is allow you to overdub your playing to each of them live, and mute/unmute them to create variation in the arrangement of your track.
They can also work with external audio, but it is not really sampling. It is looper, which is a slightly different thing.
The loops are continuously running - you don't re-trigger them or 'launch' them, you just mute and unmute and record to them, a bit like an endless 'sound-on-sound' or 100% feedback delay. You can save and load the contents of the loop, but it is far less flexible than the sampling on the KP3. You can't chop up the loop or retrigger it, and it is forced to the KOPro's tempo rather than being a loop of any length.

I get it now. Not for engines, just four banks but each bank can keep running.

I have to get the AC power fixed on this thing. Can't use it in performance and have it power out on me. It keeps doing that. I've had to tape the wire over to the right side so there's a little tension on the inner female plug - obviously there's not a tight coupling of the insert of the AC Power. Sucks man.

Thanks for the info.