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so if the m50 is a powerfull keyboard and it has the same engine like the m3 so that means the the m5o is more powerfull than most of the triton series without the moss board..!! actually i doubt that 1 st i dont catch that the m5o sonice power is the same of m3 2nd iam sure that m5o and m3 with radias cant compete with any keyboard from triton series even without the moss ..

You're making assumptions based on.... what exactly?

I currently own a couple Tritons, a fully loaded M3 and an M50. I'm basing my statements on live comparisons and I've also torn down all of them more than anyone besides a service center.

-Mc

I second Mc Hale's comment. What is your point of comparison? What exactly do you mean by powerfulness ? What is sonic power to you ? Can it be measured ? By what ? Decibels ? Watts ? Horsepower ?

Quality differences is most of the time a subjective measure. What sounds great to one may be crap to another, so trying to make an exact science of what cannot be objectively measured is pointless. Some people could kill for some Triton patches they cannot live without. That is why they keep their Tritons. And they cannot be replicated on the M3/M50... yet... But I'm sure it will be some day, and they will be as great or greater than the triton ones. Unless they use samples, which only the M3 will be able to reproduce.

The hardware is there, the samples are inside, the synth engine is there. That is FACT, and can be measured in sampling rate, signal to noise ratio, Megabytes of sampled data, features, etc.. If you don't like it, then is your opinion, but don't call it lousy because you don't like it. The keybed is lousy? it is, and everybody recognizes it. That is a point of reference, and everybody agrees. Some corners had to be cut to reach the prince range, and they decided the keybed was one of them. I can live with it, as all M50 users do.

I think the M50 cannot be compared with anything else KORG has ever produced, since there was no budget workstation before. The Tritons are more like an M3 than an M50.

tarek wrote:hope that korg release new good stuff at winter namm...not just os upgrade or some lousy keyboards like the ps or m5o

... oh a new OS upgrade would definitely make my day! 2014 ... don't get your hopes up till then

mocando wrote: I think the M50 cannot be compared with anything else KORG has ever produced, since there was no budget workstation before. The Tritons are more like an M3 than an M50.

I think there is certainly a point of comparison. I believe the M50 falls series-wise directly between the TR and X50. More like an x50 with a sequencer and 76/88 key options rather than like a TR.

The M50 was designed to to be the replacement of the TR and Le, the stripped down version of the flagship.

There's no point of comparison with the X50, not only for the quality biuld, also becoz, except polyphony, it has the full FX capabilities of the M3, and the TR and Le has the half of the FX slots than the Triton. And the X50 is a striped down TR.

The only contra of the M50 is the lack of Sampling capabilities, but is far beyond the capabilities of the X50.

About the sampling, normally the live musician doesn't need that, becoz the samples are stored in volatile RAM to use it and the load process on a TR is really slow. The sampling option is more missed on the studio, but if u are on a studio, surelly you've better capabilities for sampling than a stereo sampler with 64MB of RAM

Regards.
Alvaro.

[quote="mocando"]I second Mc Hale's comment. What is your point of comparison? What exactly do you mean by powerfulness ? What is sonic power to you ? Can it be measured ? By what ? Decibels ? Watts ? Horsepower ?


bassed on the sounds expression ..well if u used same sounds banks on m3 and m5o sure their is differnce even if its little but its their ...and urself said that the keypad is not goood ...so is that enough to make the keyboard lousy ?? not forgeting its cheap plastics even the way korg is written in small letter on the back is lousy!! yes it make the keyboard look lean unlike the old keyboards where korg was written in big letters like x5d ,t3 ,trtion etc ..all this things was afactor about this keyboard

here is a video clip that demnostrates the sonic power of the triotn series in general ...check the lead solo sound its a solo sound done with adding portamneto and legato in addtion to some exciters and phasers ..can the m50 do such sounds i guess not ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkpg5D9 ... re=related

tarek wrote:here is a video clip that demnostrates the sonic power of the triotn series in general ...check the lead solo sound its a solo sound done with adding portamneto and legato in addtion to some exciters and phasers ..can the m50 do such sounds i guess not ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkpg5D9 ... re=related

That is a MOSS sound, which is effectively a Z1 or possibly Prophecy sound. If you want to compare that, a fair comparison would be Radias/R3/MicroKorg XL and not the M50.

But also I don't see why that can't be done with moderate success on the M50.





On contrasts with the TR and X50 (RE Ozy's post), there is also the lack of aftertouch, lack of additional outputs (A feature I use quite often), lack of MIDI Thru. All of these are shared with the X50 too.

tarek wrote:bassed on the sounds expression ..well if u used same sounds banks on m3 and m5o sure their is differnce even if its little but its their ...and urself said that the keypad is not goood

Do you have audio clips to back this? I *HAVE* A/B'd the M3 and M50 using identical patches and a spectrum analyzer couldn't tell the difference and neither could I. You're simply talking out your ass and the only person that believes you is YOU.

As far as the keybed, it is cheaper, but it isn't bad. I like it. The M50 is a steal for the price and I would rather gig the M50 than the M3 any day of the week simply because of the weight and size.

I'm checking out of this thread. Arguing with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about but yells louder than everyone else leads nowhere.

-Mc

McHale wrote: I'm checking out of this thread. Arguing with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about but yells louder than everyone else leads nowhere.

-Mc

This and the quote about the size of the Korg logo to be considered a "feature" waved me away from this thread as well.

Good luck with your next purchase. Hope is not lousy.

then if u consider mr mocando logo is not important ,well..then why korg every time uses top artists to create their keyboard fonts and logos?and after all its a matter of taste small logos or big ..and i prefer the big logos like those of x5d ,t3 etc..it really look mean and in one way or another every thing big have more phisyological effect than small thing in general..back to m50 well i still on my word that it cant genrate the same sonic power of the m3 here is alink for sounds done on m3 from internal samples only .. (without radias also) check this clip proof to us ur claims that m50 have the same power as m3 and do as those sounds or some close to them and post it on youtube ..check the portemanto sounds and solo sounds ..particulary in the middle of the clip and the last..thx

link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DXxFjJtEE