clicks/pops in loops made using internal sounds on the KoPro

Anonymouse · Post by **Anonymouse** » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:29 pm

Thank you all for your replies. The clicks I am experiencing is not through user techniques. Though the problem is initially cured when turning the sync off it well eventually develop on any bank after about 5 minutes of use until i turn it off and on again. The clicks are not caused by myself recording over the start of the loop again. I know this as it even occurs when I start recording from say beat 14 and stop recording at 3. The click/pop will happen on the start of the first beat when the Kaossilator is jumping to the start of the loop again. This is an internal problem. Jingles I would say I am a pretty professional person (also musically). I am a nautical engineer so naturally problems like this annoy me since they should have never been there in the first place. I have the first KO-1 and I have never had any problems with it but was looking for something more.

JinglesJapan · Post by **JinglesJapan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:03 am

Anonymouse · Post by **Anonymouse** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:07 am

before I sell this product could someone confirm if they experience this problem. its most noticable on the bass sounds.

Try the following:

-make sure you are using a good set of headphones
-Have Sync set to off
-play around with making patterns with B.069, erasing them, altering loop lengths...
-after about 5 minutes you may notice a click
-start recording a loop at beat 6 then stop at about beat 3 so that you are not beginning at the start of the loop
- on my unit there would be an obviousc click at the beginning of beat 1.

is anyone else experienci this?

The reason I am considering to keep this is that it is a good way to brainstorm ideas when I am at sea. It could also be useful for making sounds that take a considerable amount of effort on other devices.

Its not just this that has been designed badly, there are many other elements that arent too hot, ie: midi sync drifts out, notes dont match LED, Gate arp isnt intuative, having to wait on loop banks, terrible loading/saving system.

When I am not at sea I spend the other half of the year as a performing artist and would love the add some of the sounds of the Kaossilator Pro into my work, but with a click at the start of most loops this isnt really possible

JinglesJapan · Post by **JinglesJapan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:02 pm

Anonymouse · Post by **Anonymouse** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:14 pm

Hi Jingles. Thank you for trying that out for me. I have come to accept that the click is just the way it is made. I am half way into a work around. I have imported the sounds to FL Studio and used edison to remove the clicks. The only problem is that I get a communication error when trying to send them back to the KO-Pro using a USB cable. I can send data from the Kaossilator to me laptop but not the other way round. Weird.

I am a performing artist but I wish to keep my identity anonymous (hence the screen name

). Unless you listen to the genre of music I make I don't think you will have heard of me. Most of the time I play in countries like Thailand, India(Goa), Australia...

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:55 am

What is this mystery genre?

JinglesJapan · Post by **JinglesJapan** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:41 am

signal2noise · Post by **signal2noise** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:16 pm

the clicks and pops are not necessarily "due to the user's techniques," at least not in every case. of course there are operational conditions that will create them but there are just too many credible reports of the ko-pro acting like something other than a 400.00 looper. the software on the ko-pro is practically a beta and it's entirely possible for some units to show certain problems while others with the same settings behave normally. i work for a japanese electronics company and the technical memos we get from the product designers warn about bizarro intermittent issues ("with processing chips of this lot # and firmware version x.x units with serial numbers xxx-yyy may or may not exhibit the following symptoms..") all the time. bottom line: if it's repeatable, and settings don't fix it, report it, try the remedies suggested by Korg and if the problem persists make sure they document it.

Anonymouse · Post by **Anonymouse** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:07 am

Thank you signal2noise for understanding my issue. It can be very annoying when a product you have exhibits a certain problem and people reply by saying that its through user fault.

To Mr36 and Jingles: You should be able to work out the mystery genre by the places I play in. There are native to a certain type of music. I dont make my living from DJing nor would I class myself as a big name but I wish to keep my identity private especially in a conversation such as this.

Anyways cheers for all your input. I hope Korg will address this issue at some point.

JinglesJapan · Post by **JinglesJapan** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:50 am

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:15 pm

You must, however, appreciate that the vast majority of the time, issues to do with machines are down to user error. However, if you are convinced this is not the case (I cannot be convinced have not heard exactly what your issue is nor seen it with my own eyes), it is an issue to take up with Korg and if you really believe it to be a fault with the device, you should return it.

As for your mystery genre, the one that immediately came to mind (for obvious reasons) was the trance genre of goa. Or, at least, some kind of psytrance. I am still interested as to your own music though, irrespective of this thread and this issue.