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UCanDream
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Sina.
One thing that struck me more than anything else when I saw your post was your Subject Line, "It's been forever, I know." What was striking to me was my very first reaction... this, "It hasn't been nearly long enough!" Somehow, forever went by awfully fast- at least that is how you made it feel. (Was that mean? Gosh, sorry.)
The ONLY thing I am really intereseted is this: In your photos, how come we never see any of your "38 Triton Extremes" or why do we see ONLY one Korg Oasys? We thought you had several. Oh wait....we didn't actually think that at all- we were just told that. I'm sorry....am I bringing up the painful past when you were, shall we say, less than totally straight and honest?
Great! Now I'm going to have to email Sharp and apologize for this waste of space.
On topic: Well, it's good to hear that you still enjoy your Oasys and churning out music that you like.
David!
One thing that struck me more than anything else when I saw your post was your Subject Line, "It's been forever, I know." What was striking to me was my very first reaction... this, "It hasn't been nearly long enough!" Somehow, forever went by awfully fast- at least that is how you made it feel. (Was that mean? Gosh, sorry.)
The ONLY thing I am really intereseted is this: In your photos, how come we never see any of your "38 Triton Extremes" or why do we see ONLY one Korg Oasys? We thought you had several. Oh wait....we didn't actually think that at all- we were just told that. I'm sorry....am I bringing up the painful past when you were, shall we say, less than totally straight and honest?
Great! Now I'm going to have to email Sharp and apologize for this waste of space.
On topic: Well, it's good to hear that you still enjoy your Oasys and churning out music that you like.
David!
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UCanDream
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Wow! (Seriously, I am "WOW")
Okay, I listened (reluctantly) to what you have on ReverbNation. Sina, you actually are a very talented dude! I say that without any reservation whatsoever. It sux that your most attention grabbing attribute is your lying mouth. It takes so much away from you as a person. If you can refrain from telling tall tales about owning 38 Triton EX's and 10 or 12 Oasys' then you will truly shine as an artist. I am genuinely blown away by your music. I haven't listened to every track (yet) but you get "5 Stars" for the 1/2 dozen I have heard this morning. (Gawd, it feels awful to say nice things to you- isn't that unsettling?!!)
I'm not going to retract anything I said in my previous expressions of disdain but I will refrain from calling you out again (that has been SO overdone already). In all fairness, you deserve a great deal of praise (so long as it doesn't have an undesireable effect on you) for some really great sounding compositions. I had no idea that you had such raw innate ability!
Cheers.
- David aka UCanDream
Okay, I listened (reluctantly) to what you have on ReverbNation. Sina, you actually are a very talented dude! I say that without any reservation whatsoever. It sux that your most attention grabbing attribute is your lying mouth. It takes so much away from you as a person. If you can refrain from telling tall tales about owning 38 Triton EX's and 10 or 12 Oasys' then you will truly shine as an artist. I am genuinely blown away by your music. I haven't listened to every track (yet) but you get "5 Stars" for the 1/2 dozen I have heard this morning. (Gawd, it feels awful to say nice things to you- isn't that unsettling?!!)
I'm not going to retract anything I said in my previous expressions of disdain but I will refrain from calling you out again (that has been SO overdone already). In all fairness, you deserve a great deal of praise (so long as it doesn't have an undesireable effect on you) for some really great sounding compositions. I had no idea that you had such raw innate ability!
Cheers.
- David aka UCanDream
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Where's the melodies ? Are these backing tracks for eventual vocal songs ?
If this is underscore material for music for picture ?
Sounds like you're trying to emulate live players - if so, bass parts need more movement with voice leading and idiomatic things bass players do , e.g., ghost notes. The same for drum parts...
Even though the swing material of Frank Sinatra and the pop songs of the Beatles, the heavy metal of Led Zeppelin, the contemp R & B of Beyonce,
the pop country songs of Keith Urban may seem like they are miles apart,
they all have one thing in common and that is form and phrasing. They all share a common element of 4, 8 , 12, 16 or even 24 bar phrases. Frequently, each member of an ensemble has specific things they do to punctuate the story at these junctures. e.g. a drum fill, a bass run, a collective dynamic change or a harmonic content change ( a '5' chord ) or all of the above. I'd suggest listening to more music with definitive form/phrasing for examples of these devices.
I am reminded of an opinion expressed by a casual listening friend who opined that the only distinction he could make between 1 song from another was the lyrical content or the story and that the lyrics "ARE" the song.
In instrumental music the melody 'IS' the lyric and it has to tell that story.
Grooves create mood, vibe, ambience or whatever you want to call it…
Melodies tell the story !! If you believe that melody writing is not one of your strengths … get busy listening to all the great melodies and turn your weakness into a strength.
Great melodies IMHO - Somewhere over the rainbow, My funny Valentine,
'Round Midnight (Thelonius Monk) Misty, Harlem Nocturne , Most of the McCartney/Lennon catalog, Elton John catalog, Billy Joel catalog, Stevie Wonder catalog to just name a few …
BTW…
a) If your intention was for meditative ambient music, then disregard my comments from above.
b) using the Oasys on-board sequencer solely is an achievement that makes no difference. if you find satifaction in using and fighting a tool that is cumbersome and stifling except for quickly getting ideas recorded, great - I don't . It is always the results that are the most important. I never listen to any music wondering , did they sequence, did they play everything live, did they use Pro Tools or Cubase or Digital Performer , did they use an SSL or a Neve console or, or, or, or…… (and I am a 21 year user of Digital Performer)
ALL N' ALL … you've displayed some nice grooves and choice of sounds at your post site and I do agree that the Oasys is a wonderful sounding machine.
Keep Working - Good bye ..... Good Luck HTH - Schweats
If this is underscore material for music for picture ?
Sounds like you're trying to emulate live players - if so, bass parts need more movement with voice leading and idiomatic things bass players do , e.g., ghost notes. The same for drum parts...
Even though the swing material of Frank Sinatra and the pop songs of the Beatles, the heavy metal of Led Zeppelin, the contemp R & B of Beyonce,
the pop country songs of Keith Urban may seem like they are miles apart,
they all have one thing in common and that is form and phrasing. They all share a common element of 4, 8 , 12, 16 or even 24 bar phrases. Frequently, each member of an ensemble has specific things they do to punctuate the story at these junctures. e.g. a drum fill, a bass run, a collective dynamic change or a harmonic content change ( a '5' chord ) or all of the above. I'd suggest listening to more music with definitive form/phrasing for examples of these devices.
I am reminded of an opinion expressed by a casual listening friend who opined that the only distinction he could make between 1 song from another was the lyrical content or the story and that the lyrics "ARE" the song.
In instrumental music the melody 'IS' the lyric and it has to tell that story.
Grooves create mood, vibe, ambience or whatever you want to call it…
Melodies tell the story !! If you believe that melody writing is not one of your strengths … get busy listening to all the great melodies and turn your weakness into a strength.
Great melodies IMHO - Somewhere over the rainbow, My funny Valentine,
'Round Midnight (Thelonius Monk) Misty, Harlem Nocturne , Most of the McCartney/Lennon catalog, Elton John catalog, Billy Joel catalog, Stevie Wonder catalog to just name a few …
BTW…
a) If your intention was for meditative ambient music, then disregard my comments from above.
b) using the Oasys on-board sequencer solely is an achievement that makes no difference. if you find satifaction in using and fighting a tool that is cumbersome and stifling except for quickly getting ideas recorded, great - I don't . It is always the results that are the most important. I never listen to any music wondering , did they sequence, did they play everything live, did they use Pro Tools or Cubase or Digital Performer , did they use an SSL or a Neve console or, or, or, or…… (and I am a 21 year user of Digital Performer)
ALL N' ALL … you've displayed some nice grooves and choice of sounds at your post site and I do agree that the Oasys is a wonderful sounding machine.
Keep Working - Good bye ..... Good Luck HTH - Schweats
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UCanDream
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Hey SCHWEATS.
Your take on Sina's post and his music may be a deeper perspective than he might have been looking for. I'm speculating in saying that, of course. But I also happen to agree with you wholly. He wasn't clear on the developmental phase of any of his music, possibly leaving the listener with an oblique perception of his intended musical delivery....perhaps due to components you mentioned: "Where's the melodies ? Are these backing tracks for eventual vocal songs ? If this is underscore material for music for picture ?" In other words, maybe his works aren't completed. Who knows?...he just didn't clarify. Then again, maybe it's just supposed to be mood/meditative ambient instrumentals.
The other thing you nailed right on is, "using the Oasys on-board sequencer solely is an achievement that makes no difference. if you find satifaction in using and fighting a tool that is cumbersome and stifling except for quickly getting ideas recorded, great - I don't . It is always the results that are the most important. I never listen to any music wondering , did they sequence, did they play everything live, did they use Pro Tools or Cubase or Digital Performer , did they use an SSL or a Neve console or, or, or, or……" After my personal fight on many levels with the Oasys' performance and functionality issues, I am neither greatly satisfied nor bitterly disgusted with what it does, or rather, what I have been able to accomplish with it. For many of us the Oasys is simply one of the tools that we use to create our own musical expressions. If it wasn't the Oasys then it would be another Korg, Roland, Yamaha, or, or, or, or.......
Whether Sina considers his posted music completed works or not (or whether we consider it that way or not) it still sounds pretty good. My overall take was that he has some really good building blocks going there. Sina, if/when you read that and I am wrong, don't let me take anything away from what you are doing. I was waiting for the same thing that SCHWEATS was...something melodic (or vocals- again, melodic) that carries your music to the next level. And if that wasn't where you intended for it to be, then we the listeners cannot argue with you the artist.
Keep up the good work and keep in mind one of the important things SCHWEATS offered: The underlying message being, Your MUSIC is your accomplishment. The Oasys is NOT your accomplishment. It is simply a vehicle to get your music from your head to our ears. Beyond that, the Oasys isn't even an impressive piece of hardware anymore. But your music has the potential to be cool long after your coveted synth bites the dust like all Solid State and electronic components do.
Peace.
UCanDream
Your take on Sina's post and his music may be a deeper perspective than he might have been looking for. I'm speculating in saying that, of course. But I also happen to agree with you wholly. He wasn't clear on the developmental phase of any of his music, possibly leaving the listener with an oblique perception of his intended musical delivery....perhaps due to components you mentioned: "Where's the melodies ? Are these backing tracks for eventual vocal songs ? If this is underscore material for music for picture ?" In other words, maybe his works aren't completed. Who knows?...he just didn't clarify. Then again, maybe it's just supposed to be mood/meditative ambient instrumentals.
The other thing you nailed right on is, "using the Oasys on-board sequencer solely is an achievement that makes no difference. if you find satifaction in using and fighting a tool that is cumbersome and stifling except for quickly getting ideas recorded, great - I don't . It is always the results that are the most important. I never listen to any music wondering , did they sequence, did they play everything live, did they use Pro Tools or Cubase or Digital Performer , did they use an SSL or a Neve console or, or, or, or……" After my personal fight on many levels with the Oasys' performance and functionality issues, I am neither greatly satisfied nor bitterly disgusted with what it does, or rather, what I have been able to accomplish with it. For many of us the Oasys is simply one of the tools that we use to create our own musical expressions. If it wasn't the Oasys then it would be another Korg, Roland, Yamaha, or, or, or, or.......
Whether Sina considers his posted music completed works or not (or whether we consider it that way or not) it still sounds pretty good. My overall take was that he has some really good building blocks going there. Sina, if/when you read that and I am wrong, don't let me take anything away from what you are doing. I was waiting for the same thing that SCHWEATS was...something melodic (or vocals- again, melodic) that carries your music to the next level. And if that wasn't where you intended for it to be, then we the listeners cannot argue with you the artist.
Keep up the good work and keep in mind one of the important things SCHWEATS offered: The underlying message being, Your MUSIC is your accomplishment. The Oasys is NOT your accomplishment. It is simply a vehicle to get your music from your head to our ears. Beyond that, the Oasys isn't even an impressive piece of hardware anymore. But your music has the potential to be cool long after your coveted synth bites the dust like all Solid State and electronic components do.
Peace.
UCanDream