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KP3 effect on mic input only
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:59 am
by benevolentgoose
Hey guys. Just got a KP3 for beatboxing and love it. One thing that has been giving me trouble though, is that I can't figure out if there is a way to apply an effect to mic input only, without that effect going on all other samples that are playing.
I was hoping I could do this so that I could have a groove playing in a sample and then flip on a delay for instance and sing with that on without it changing the sound of the sample(s) playing. Is this even possible with one KP3?
Also, in the same vein, is there any way to sample something with an effect (i.e. eq) on it without re-sampling all other samples that are playing onto the new track?
Thanks - any help is much appreciated
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:51 am
by xmlguy
Nope, the FX apply to whatever is playing. If you only want the FX on one thing, then you need to play that one thing and resample it. That's probably why a beatboxer like Beardyman has multiple KP3s.
two pads
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:36 am
by benevolentgoose
Ahh, I see that's a bummer.. Well thanks xmlguy for your reply it's good to know for sure. Hah, Beardyman does have a lot of equipment now I see why and am even more confused by what he does. I am contemplating getting another Kaoss pad, but I'm still not sure if this would allow me to apply effects live to each individual track and also just on the live mic. I was thinking it would work if I just route the out of one pad to the in of another, and also midi out to midi in so they can stay in time if this would be necessary.
Perhaps easy question but I'd like to check before I scrape the cash for a second pad and realize I still can't do this: The effects from the first pad don't affect the playing of any samples on the second pad right? So I could for instance sing a bassline with the LFO on the first pad and it would be its own thing on top of the other loops on the second pad? So this would let me create samples on the second pad which each have their own unique effect created by the first pad even when there are already samples playing on the second pad (or to resample on the second pad a combination of everything playing on the first and second pads?) If there is a post or article already on beatboxing through two pads or someplace that addresses this issue feel free to let me know, I just couldn't find it
Also please - random issue - why can I easily store a preset that has a hold on it for many effects, but it doesn't work for the EQ2? (When I load the preset it remembers it was supposed to be holding something and there is only the square in the top right corner lit but nothing is really held)... Is that just the way it is with eq because the kp3 can't hold more than one space on the grid or is it my pad or something I'm doing?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:46 am
by xmlguy
If you setup the output of one KP3 to the input of another, then you can use the first KP3 like a DJ CUE, so that you can setup a sound exactly the way you want, then sample it with the second K3. The second KP3 is used to keep all the loops running that the audience hears, while the first one is for your monitoring only until you send it to the second one. You also don't need to use midi to keep them in sync, because you can listen for good sync on the first one before you sample it on the second one. If they are set to the same BPM, they will stay in audio sync long enough for you to sample it on the second one, where it will stay in perfect sync thereafter.
As far as EQ, I don't recall exactly how it behaves, but it makes sense that it works differently because you are setting the level of multiple bands, so there is no single X,Y coordinate, just one level for each EQ band.
The KP3 works great in combination with other gear, so you might want to consider getting the original Kaossilator, KaossilatorPro, SP-404, EMX, ESX, or other gear to get a wider range of possibilities. A vocal FX box like the new VoiceLive Touch would be great for beatboxing because it does harmony, pitchshifting, delay, reverb, eq, looping, all specifically for vocals.
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:22 pm
by didjeko
For beatboxing, you can also use a Digitech Jamman or a Boss RC 50 (more loops and more control). the beatboxers I know work wit the RC 50.
one of the main interests is the possibility to control everything with the feet instead of the hands,