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Wow, don't let actual quotes or facts get in your way when you want to make a point. And don't research what other people's opinions are either as your opinion is all that matters. I've also had my share of analogs going back to a Juno 106, a MonoPoly, and a PolySix. But feel free to use this new thing called "GOOGLE" and read comparisons of the P08 vs the PolyEvolver or A6. I'm not alone in finding the P08 weak and not really inspiring. Sure, it's pure analog (albeit with a weak, low pass only filter). But it just can't get complex pads out of it like the A6 could and it'll never be as fat as a vintage analog (due to the lack of sub osc).

But, here's where you lost it for me: You owned and sold two Prophet 5's after getting your Prophet 08? Seriously?! Which P08 did you get? I hope you got the PE version because it's very well documented how the encoders fail on the standard version after only a couple years of light to moderate use.

Here's some fun quotes from the web:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/sho ... st36517573

A lot of people complain that the filter doesn't have a lot of resonance and is a bit difficult to "tame", meaning it always sounds kind of bright. I think the main issue with the filter is that Dave Smith voiced it to compete against the top VAs of a few years ago - Novation Supernova/KS, and Virus C, and even JP80x0 to some extent. More than one person has described it as "sounding kinda like a VA" and I think that's a bit by design - not that it has the VAs limitations (ok the resonance might actually be as limited as a VA), but that it goes after the sound that was popular with those aforementioned VAs, with Dave hoping that it would be used by those trance artists that were eating up anything that could sound trancey.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=30

I think the Dave Smith caters to poly because it sounds THIN! Head to head with a moog little phatty or voyager is no comparison! Might as well save to get the best. Sound beats specs any day.

There's good reason for that. For those that don't know, and it's been discussed at length elsewhere, all of the DSI synths that have "analog signal paths" use a modern version of the CEM3396 chip. This is the same chip that's in the Oberheim Matrix6 and numerous other mid-80s mid range synths. Although it's not known, there is no reason to believe (and it has been studied) that the new chip is any different other than it's in a surface mount package and built on a modern production line.

There are several things that are important about this:

1) It's a CEM chip filter. This is never going to sound as warm and fat as a moog ladder filter, a roland filter, or an SSM filter. They have a certain sound, and they sound pretty good, but to most ears they are harsh compared to other designs.

And I could go on and on all day about the P08. I"m not alone on this. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent analog synth and I could get some very usable sounds out of it. I just wasn't blown away by it when I spent time with it like I was with the unreliable A6 or some VA's.

As far as modulars, I'm talking practical to the common musician who gigs frequently. Most people I know with modulars have them secured and they never leave the house. THAT is impractical. I won't even get into the cost or weight or size.

If you like your P08's (and hate your M3), that's fine. All that's important for you is that you're happy. But don't come in here and call me a troll or yourself an expert because I have an opinion that doesn't mimic yours.

"I am not alone in my opinion, according to Google"

is not the strongest argument in support of an opinion.

On the contrary, it's an argument I often have heard from people cornered by facts and arguments.

"The internet thinks like me" is just an inch above "why? BECAUSE" in my scale of insults to a good-functioning mind.

Whatever.

Your thesis is that there are not good analogue synths around, to the point that the prophet spunds like a mediocre VA [what does that mean exactly: the prophet sound like a novation A station? like a Akai Miniak? a Gaia? You teel me. A radias? You said that the radias is not a VA, it's a digital-sounding digital synth. So what are you speaking about?!?].

I know that this is factually wrong, and I put some tens thousands euros where my mouth is.

You have been passing on the Omega, Code, A6 and Prophet because they are not good enough, and you are waiting for a monotron-filtered rompler in order to "go analogue"? Good for you.

Until you start playing at least ONE analogue, be it old or new, this discussion is pointless. Bye.

ozy wrote:blah blah blah. Bye.

you are hilarious. Again, putting things in quotes doesn't mean I said them and you disagreeing with me and others with the same opinion doesn't make you right. Don't discuss the points I brought up. That's the easiest way to move on in the discussion, isn't it?

I dumped my analog way back when because quite frankly, analog (and especially VINTAGE analog) is (and was) a PITA with too many limitations. I don't regret selling them.

But seriously... you sold TWO Prophet 5's after buying a Prophet 8? I'm not sure if that's hilarious or sad. Seriously. And look, I KNOW HOW TO USE BOLD TOO.

McHale wrote:But seriously... you sold TWO Prophet 5's after buying a Prophet 8?

Yes.

I bought the p08 module, tested it along the p-Vs, then bought the P08 keyboard,

then finally could get rid of the two expensive "wives" I had to take on a yearly one-month vacation at the local service center for the occasional dead pot, dead chip, faulty power supply, etc., and which cost me 500 bucks a year out of that only.

You know what? When somebody visits my studio for the first time, I have a gag: I'll play for them the "screaming prophet sync" patch on the M3-radias,

then the same patch on the prophet08.

They are identical. Really. The radias patch is perfect.

We'll have a laugh, and they'll ask: "why the heck do you keep the m3?".

[heh heh. You say I "hate the M3". Wrong. I am its heroic defender. My wife hates it. My friends. My band companions. I am the only one who wants to keep it. I just play something else].

Nobody even asks me "why don't you sell the prophet"?

And I never missed the prophet-5.

Will tell you another thing to make you "sad":

I use three matrix1000, one of which replaces my old OB-8.

And I don't miss the OB-8.

I won't replace my vintage SEM because I need it for sheer RAW power on solos.

On the contrary, the custom doepfer a-100 and the semimodular Spawn (which is patched in the dopefer because of the spawn's arp-like filter)

replace a ARP-2600 which could never have been taken on live situations.

It barely survived studio situations.

I miss its physical presence, its look, not its sound (and frankly, a square meter rent is at 200 euros a year in Milano).

This should make you terribly sad for me: I am really in a bad situation, am not I?

Poor me: can you spare a nanocontrol to console me for my screechy contemporary analogues, dude?

Oh, and finally - speaking of sparing a dime:

this may sound marginal, but the above trades financed my digital keyboards, especially the Vl70 battery.

BACK ON TOPIC:

I'm seriously wondering if the Kronos is the Korg product I asked for a long time ago: A VSTi playing dedicated synth. It would make sense seeing how Korg recently changed their licensing for their VST's as well as unbundled them. And this, would amaze me. It would not compete with the M3 or M50 and would give so much flexibility. Would also work in with the discontinuation of the CX-3, RADIAS, and OASYS.

That's my official vote.

discuss.

that would be nice actually

McHale wrote:BACK ON TOPIC:

I'm seriously wondering if the Kronos is the Korg product I asked for a long time ago: A VSTi playing dedicated synth. It would make sense seeing how Korg recently changed their licensing for their VST's as well as unbundled them. And this, would amaze me. It would not compete with the M3 or M50 and would give so much flexibility. Would also work in with the discontinuation of the CX-3, RADIAS, and OASYS.

That's my official vote.

discuss.

Hadn't even crossed my mind. A VERY good idea but I feel any kind of VSTi support is too forward-thinking for Korg.


One thing I was thinking earlier was that people were saying "I hear wavestation pads so it must have wavesequencing functionality". I find it amusing how people shout "wavesequencing" as soon as they hear a S&H LFO modulating filter cutoff.

A software workstation like reason but with all korg's sound engines, with VSTi suport and audio tracks.

Yup. McHale is right. VSTi player with hardware reliance. Vsti of Oasys $800. (No sequencer/audio HD) Trinity, Radias, AL-1, Triton: $400. Loads all legacy collections, CX3 VSTi $400. Keyboard controller/player of VSTi's $2000. Basically build your own Korg synth from previous Korgs. AMAZING.

I voted its a new type of VA ala Radias, but I don't think it'll have a "analogue monotron filter" . I still think it'll be cheapish (under $1000) prosumer gear the market is saturated with already. Another VA? What on earth for, isn't there like 20 of those already? My last 5 purchases have been 100% analog, so hopefully I'll be surprised .

McHale wrote:I'm seriously wondering if the Kronos is the Korg product I asked for a long time ago: A VSTi playing dedicated synth.

Although I wish you were right, I don't think it's going to be a VSTi playing workstation.
I think it's probably a workstation with 9 different synth engines, including a modelled B3 with 9 physical drawbars.
If the name were Chronos I'd be inclined to think that it would be a workstation featuring the legacy pack synths plus Trinity, Triton, Prophecy and the Z1, for example, a 'best of Korg' type of workstation featuring 9 synths of the past.

drama1 wrote:Yup. McHale is right. VSTi player with hardware reliance. Vsti of Oasys $800. (No sequencer/audio HD) Trinity, Radias, AL-1, Triton: $400. Loads all legacy collections, CX3 VSTi $400. Keyboard controller/player of VSTi's $2000. Basically build your own Korg synth from previous Korgs. AMAZING.

That would be seriously cool

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So, I can sell all of my Korgs and shell out the cash for it? Yipieee! Can't wait
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Well, it looks like I was very close.
I am glad that Korg did not follow Yamaha or Roland's example and release a workstation with a slightly larger ROM, a few more bells and whistles, etc, the usual game.

The KRONOS looks like a really great workstation, and a major step forward compared to what the competition offers.
Bravo KORG for not releasing just another ROMpler.