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just to keep a bit of childish attitude in there... cast you guess about what the hell kronos will be

keep on comment on the HUGE kronos thread
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... sc&start=0

will be a ws, but unfortunately any pcg and seq data compatibility with oasys and m3. Will be black, without tilting module and bigger display than m3. Sample based+advanced mmt, midi+audio seq.

I've voted. I think it will be a hybrid workstation/synth that will be inbetween an Oasys and an M3...closer to an Oasys though, software upgradable, but nowhere near that price mark.

Price of Oasys in 2005 was the biggest issue creating lots and lots of hate threads all over synth internet land. The other critisism was about the almost primitive sequencer.

If i recall correctly most people claimed they would have purchased an O if it was priced at about $4 to $5k

The Kronos might well be the new M1 in terms of sales. This instrument might very well take clients away from: Yamaha, Roland, and Kurzweil.

I'm wondering if they would have changed the usual setup of program/combi buttons on the right and knobs/sliders on the left or will it be a completely new concept built from the ground up.

I hope it has a kaos pad built into it and extra sliders and buttons to control VA paramaters. But unfortunately asking for extra this and extra that increases price too.

Billy

I voted,

But I think the election has been rigged.

Whatever the Kronos will finally be,

the real Kronos is Al Gore

I don't think the analog monotron filter is necessary. Korg have shown in the past that their modelling of analog filters has been pretty good - with the microKorg/MS2K, MS-20, Polysix. The thing with the Radias is just that the filter is none of those things, its just another digital filter not modelled after anything.

I think you can guess which one I voted for.

probably NOT a workstation and just another analog synthesizer, TOO MUCH HYPE, I hope it is worth it reminds me of big news for Apple itune (Beatles available on itune?? WTF)

A workstation w/no backward compatibility to M50/M3? That makes no sense to me. I could see KORG making one synth obsolete. But two? Its entire line of premium ROMplers would be out-of-date, as of mid-January, 2011.

That just seems like a huge money-losing proposition to me.

NavidSyed wrote:probably NOT a workstation and just another analog synthesizer...

JUST ANOTHER ANALOG SYNTHESIZER?

JUST ANOTHER ANALOG SYNTHESIZER?

JUST ANOTHER ANALOG SYNTHESIZER?

JUST ANOTHER ANALOG SYNTHESIZER?

That would be HUGE. You do know how long it's been since Korg released an all Analog poly synthesizer, right? I'd buy that thing in a second sight unseen. NOBODY has a good real analog synthesizer out right now.

McHale wrote:NOBODY has a good real analog synthesizer out right now.[/size]

huh?!?

ozy wrote:huh?!?

Not a big fan of the Prophet08. The A6, while decent, isn't made any more and had significant reliability problems. Moog make different versions of the exact same mono synth.

Did I miss any?

you missed all modulars, [it would take some threads to discuss, including the fact that doepfer has a killer ms-20 filter. Not an emulation: THE thing, which is not patented and was rebuilt]

you didn't say anything substantial about the prophet and forgot the evolver

you forgot that the SEM is again available

you cut short on the a6,

you didn't even mention mfb

you talk like the whole SE range doesn't exist...

analogue solutions is greek to you

... let me see... I could go on for two pages!

Ok: you just got that wrong, let's move on, you'll get a working epater-les-bougeois line maybe next time

Maybe after some homework...

ozy wrote:Maybe after some homework...

I'm fully aware of modulars (and MFB) and for most people, they aren't practical. A friend of mine makes some of the best modular stuff on the market. I didn't forget. It's a niche market and not one that anyone beyond enthusiasts consider.

Go buy a new A6. Right now. Let me know when you find one. OK, you can't. So buy a used one. BUT, if it has problems, who will fix it? And trust me, MANY shipped with problems.

The Prophet08 sounds like a mediocre VA. They are more hype and name recognition than anything.

Of the 61 key analog synthesizer, there is nothing manufactured today that compares with the likes of a Prophet 5 or an OB-8. There just isn't.

McHale wrote:
The Prophet08 sounds like a mediocre VA. They are more hype and name recognition than anything.

-1 ... totally disagree on this....

i agree if you say that modern analog sound (and smell) different from vintage analog, but today there are many great analog stuffs out there to play with

mcHale,

now you are talking like an FFF (forum frequent flier) in search of CVVST (cheap verbal victories in spite of truth).

You said that "there are no good analogues around". This is pretty straightforward, And is untenable.

This is false.

I know a thing or two about analogue, I have a quasi-40 years experience on them, I rely on them for most of my sounds, I use them daily, I shop for modular components and scout for them.

Throwing around apodictic sentences like

"the prophet sounds like a VA" (I own two, I owned two of the prophet-V and sold them after using them in parralel with the p08 for months)

"modulars are impractical" (so what? we are talking "good", non "practical". Is it practical digging into menus or scrolling 3000 presets looking for a "analogue sound"? I don't want THAT practicality! It hurts my ears)

"moogs makes just several versions of the same old monophonic" [yes: Moog has always been doing ONE SINGLE instrument for 40 years and counting: its ladder filter, with a box of things around. Just that. Stop. Well, some people do just one thing in their life. And their glory lives forever for that. Moog can go on making just shitty monos forever, and still be Moog],

is not supporting your thesis. Certainly not in the eyes of an expert.

Worse, saying that the P08 sounds like a VA discredits all you assertions about the quality of VA emulations in oasys or other digital synths.

If you despise the p08 or the voyager, god knows what you mean when you say that the oasys is "fat".

If you want to win a brawl in the eyes of people who never used a serious analog, or used one for a month by fiddling the cutoff pot or going "hoover preset" over their dining room carpets,

you can go on.

but this is not doing anything good to your reputation.

The only limitation of the GOOD (not all: just some good) contemporary analogue is the cost.

Omega and CODE are hugely expensive,

synthesizers.com and MOTM are expensive and slow to get,

the SEM is expensive and cumbersome

a duophonic Moog set is expensive,

a fattened 16 voices prophetPE (like I use) fetches 3700 euros new.

a serious dopefer a-100 with third-party add-ons [dedicated filters etc] is still expensive.

Expensive is different from "non existing".

And I don't see how Korg could change that (I mean: I hardly see a Ms-20 replica being less expensive than the A-100 or more reliable and better sounding than the prophet or the CODE).

ozy wrote:
"moogs makes just several versions of the same old monophonic" [yes: Moog has always been doing ONE SINGLE instrument for 40 years and counting: its ladder filter, with a box of things around. Just that. Stop. Well, some people do just one thing in their life. And their glory lives forever for that. Moog can go on making just shitty monos forever, and still be Moog],

god bless the moog ladder filter

ozy wrote: a fattened 16 voices prophetPE (like I use) fetches 3700 euros new.

ozy do you polichain two P08PE to have 16 voices?