Jan1 wrote:Well, isn't it true that both OASYS and KRONOS have Linux as their OS?
As far as I know, Linux offers physical address extensions which enable accessing physical addresses over 4 GB (for 32-bit OS).
Single applications still are bound to that 4 GB limit, but the KRONOS features several different applications running on Linux, in which case > 4GB would make sense if there is a PAE feature.
Sure - Most recent 32-bit Microsoft OSes had PAEs as well, but this does not necessarily mean everything under the OS can access a given extended address space - usually an app running under that OS that is segmented and running under such an extension. Given the interoperability of everything under the OASYS (sequencer, sample memory space for HD-1 and the HD recording system, etc) I'd guess everything is under a single shared address space so everyone can play in the same sandbox so to speak...
You also have to take into account the other hardware. Motherboard (and BIOS) have a lot to do with it. The BIOS on the OASYS mobo could only take a max of 2Gb (probably truly a limitation of the memory controller onboard), so there is a physical component limitation there no matter how much the OS would let you talk to. Hopefully with whatever board they put into the Kronos we can at least have 4Gb total RAM, but who knows what they used - I doubt they will spill the beans at this point. Hopefully we can dissect one once it hits the streets
Simple question: How easy is it to rearrange your "songs" in the SET LIST screen? We play a different set list every show and I would like to rearrange the set list to reflect that. Is it easy? Is it possible? How is it sorted?
It's easy to use, Copy, Paste and Append.
Say for example you wanted to add a new song and put it into slot 2, which was already occupied, it will shift the old number 2 to 3 and everything after it out by +1, and make room for the new one.
So, you can add new data to any location without overwriting.
You can also copy and move setups around and even create separate lists, many separate lists in fact. The memory is vast.
As he was writing "I work at Korg Research & Development.", He should know.
For what it's worth, please do not get sidetracked in talking about future developments that at this moment in time DO NOT EXSIST.
KRONOS is an OASYS 2 and then some for a mere 3 Grand. Be very happy with that and make your decisions on the keyboard based on what it does now. Not what it might do extra in the future.
Scott wrote:Sharp, I asked this in another thread, but maybe this is a better place...
The Kronos has USB-A connectors. Is there any chance this will allow direct connection of NanoPad/NanoKontrol/NanoKey? That could be very nice for live performance...
Coming from the O, is there anything you didn't like?
The side panels are glossy. Glossy = Finger print stains.
lol... I hate my iPhone too for the same things, but I also love it for what it can do.
Regards
Sharp.
Hi Sharp,, first of all thank you very much for your detailed report, see
that you talked about the glossy side panels of kronos, I would linke to
have your feedback about the quality of materials used in these parts
May seem a minor issue, but with a view to using the machine
live is interesting to know if the materials are robust or not.
thank you very much again
My feeling is that they are robust enough to do the job, although not as strong as previous materials used. The glossy finish will get dirty and scratch very easily if you don't look after your keyboards.
Sharp wrote:It's easy to use, Copy, Paste and Append.
Say for example you wanted to add a new song and put it into slot 2, which was already occupied, it will shift the old number 2 to 3 and everything after it out by +1, and make room for the new one.
So, you can add new data to any location without overwriting.
You can also copy and move setups around and even create separate lists, many separate lists in fact. The memory is vast.
OMG OMG OMG. THIS is the reason that every gigging musician should have one. The sounds could be as bad as my D-20 for all I care (well, maybe not THAT bad). This is a HUGE feature for me.
As he was writing "I work at Korg Research & Development.", He should know.
For what it's worth, please do not get sidetracked in talking about future developments that at this moment in time DO NOT EXSIST.
KRONOS is an OASYS 2 and then some for a mere 3 Grand. Be very happy with that and make your decisions on the keyboard based on what it does now. Not what it might do extra in the future.
Regards
Sharp.
No worries Will do this myself if it's possible.
Maybe no need for more RAM. But you said that user samples will not be streamable from SSD. Maybe i just don't understand how it is working as i'm not an OASYS owner
I have a to load at least 2GB of samples. Otherwise i have to stay with my VSTs. It's orchestral content. So it's a few patches i have to make with some large samples.
Best regards and thank you for help and all the great info, Dieter.
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Sorry Sharp to interject in your 'ask a question thread'...just want to point out that there is an Oasys Section here too, and since there are many similarities between the 2 keybaords, if you need specific answers on components of these synths that are similar you could always do a search over in the Oasys area.
For example, people in another thread here were asking about differences between AL-1 and Virus Ti - there were a few discussions that took place over at Oasys - so search over there too - just saying
Billy
Yamaha C1 Grand Piano.
Korg Oasys 88, Jupiter 80
Kronos 88, V Synth GT
I am a student of classical piano...I am not a classical pianist.
how many combis does the KRONOS have? same as the M3? i don't have m3 but just wondering am thinking of getting the KRONOS as my first workstation ever! thx
AtinDallas wrote:how many combis does the KRONOS have? same as the M3? i don't have m3 but just wondering am thinking of getting the KRONOS as my first workstation ever! thx
you really can't compare M3 to KRONOS in any way.
What's important about the number of combis? the 'presets'?
Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro
AtinDallas wrote:how many combis does the KRONOS have? same as the M3? i don't have m3 but just wondering am thinking of getting the KRONOS as my first workstation ever! thx
you really can't compare M3 to KRONOS in any way.
What's important about the number of combis? the 'presets'?
Well since it's probably is going to be my first workstation I thought I might start off working with combis and then gradually learn how to create my own. (sorry if the question sound stupid)
As he was writing "I work at Korg Research & Development.", He should know.
For what it's worth, please do not get sidetracked in talking about future developments that at this moment in time DO NOT EXSIST.
KRONOS is an OASYS 2 and then some for a mere 3 Grand. Be very happy with that and make your decisions on the keyboard based on what it does now. Not what it might do extra in the future.
Regards
Sharp.
Kronos is not an Oasys 2 (they'd named Like that if it was), they just taken all the synthesis engines from the Oasys and added much more to screw once for good all the Oasys users, that's my point of view. You included dear Sharp. You don't feel like that maybe, but you've been screwed like most people who gave Korg trust. Should I remember you why Daz has stopped to be a Korg user ect. etc.? I know, not for the discontinuing of the Oasys, but because Korg hasn't had the respect he deserved after all he did to make this community what it is now together with you of course . You should be angry at Korg instead of defending her.
TheCube wrote:
As he was writing "I work at Korg Research & Development.", He should know.
For what it's worth, please do not get sidetracked in talking about future developments that at this moment in time DO NOT EXSIST.
KRONOS is an OASYS 2 and then some for a mere 3 Grand. Be very happy with that and make your decisions on the keyboard based on what it does now. Not what it might do extra in the future.
Regards
Sharp.
Kronos is not an Oasys 2 (they'd named Like that if it was), they just taken all the synthesis engines from the Oasys and added much more to screw once for good all the Oasys users, that's my point of view. You included dear Sharp. You don't feel like that maybe, but you've been screwed like most people who gave Korg trust. Should I remember you why Daz has stopped to be a Korg user ect. etc.? I know, not for the discontinuing of the Oasys, but because Korg hasn't had the respect he deserved after all he did to make this community what it is now together with you of course . You should be angry at Korg instead of defending her.
Hey man,
it seems like you're attacking "Sharp" for what Korg did/didn't do towards Oasys users.
Maybe Sharp has moved on, or maybe not, but let him decide for himself how he should communicate with/about Korg.
Although understandable, at least a bit... but holy crap, has this forum gone from 0 to 100 in yelling, anger and resentment in a couple of days. And really, days ago, I wanted to write a post somewhere in the lines of "This is like the best forum ever", when we were discussing what Kronos MIGHT be. I would prefer if we'd keep these discussions a bit more civil.
Nobody HAS TO do anything, you know, Orient? And Sharp as the "person behind these forums" is probably the last one to spread public anger towards KORG. It's not that they do or don't deserve it, it's just that he has a "professional" role that can sometimes fight with his "private", OASYS owner role. I'm in a similar position and I gotta say that apart from the fact that lately I've been dealing only with the stupid and retarded people business-wise, this Kronos announcement has been a rollercoaster for me. As professionally, I need to keep things at a certain level, but personally, I think KORG massively screwed up. And not with Kronos itself as it is a superb instrument. Price-wise, it could be better, but it's still a very good package.
On a more personal note... In my humble little studio for which I worked my ass off with some help from my family in terms of assembling and buying some parts of it... there's a gazillion KORG stuff. OASYS 88, Z1, two Trinity's (regular 61-key and TR-RACK), a Triton rack, almost all of the software they've done, Kontrol 49, D8 recorder... An awful lot. There used to be a Triton Classic 88, Triton Studio 88... And in my past working environment - I had everything Korg produced from 95 onward, as I worked for a KORG distributor in my country. Years after, I still do a lot of product support for KORG products as people from the region call me on a weekly basis when they ran into problems with their KORG products. Also, as a journalist, I've had a pretty "strained" relationship with them since day one and that just borderlines on unnecessary and dumb. They are an absolute nightmare to work with in many aspects. And trust me, you don't know anything about them whatever you might think you know. To me, KORG is like the AMD in the CPU world. Typical number two company (in terms of sales, not talking about innovation or sound) that's always scared and always does the "let's make two steps forward in this direction, and two and a half or three in the opposite". Which can be a business decision, as well.
That being said, you can bet your a$$ that as an OASYS owner, I'm a bit pissed at these news, but I'm pissed off on principle. And that principle is - overpromising and underdelivering. I mean, in reality, I can do everything I need on this setup, OASYS especially. And these developments that KORG did for Kronos - they don't mean much to me. I already have a different way of doing piano-based stuff, don't care about the drum track feature, find Karma in the OASYS to fit all of my needs, don't need Set List feature as there's a way around that in the OASYS... Sadly, no studio integration, but I can live with that, too. Although one of the key points of my OASYS review that was lauded by the KORG people is that it needs to have USB connectivity and a plugin so it can be used within studio environment. So in general, I really don't care about all of the stuff Kronos has and OASYS doesn't. It's still a great instrument that has served me well from day one.
But all of that doesn't really make me want to spit on them or do them harm. I wish them well. Really, I hope Kronos does well.
And "that being said" #2 - you can bet your a$$ that I'm never buying anything from KORG, again. And I'm pretty sure that among couple of thowsand of OASYS owners, half or more will tell you the same thing. With this operation, they might have gained a lot of potential new buyers and fans, but they've certainly lost a part of their devoted base. Through nobody's fault by their own, as their own marketing of the OASYS was misleading and reasons they gave for discontinuation of it were obviously half-true.
I do hope they understand what they did, but somehow doubt that will happen. Which is the primary reason why I wrote this to clear my mind. And now, I don't feel the need to say anything more about this.
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Thanks for your most interesting reading post and so "humanlike" also which is a bit unusual style for you to write like that.
So thanks, it was informative, but I think that you should maybe just be a little bit open to buying future products from Korg, because if they have the best and you need it, then you shouldn't "cheat" yourself from getting it, because of personal feelings?
Or perhaps principle is deeper and more rewarding an attitude?
I don't know, but your post was warm and heartfelt, so thanks for sharing!
