OASYS-I, OASYS-II (Kronos) Updates? my final conclusion

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:36 pm

Sina172 wrote:Beat yourself up all you want, Tony. But I am jumping up and down with excitement! I can't WAIT to get my hand on this puppy!

Sina

Sina, so to understand you, I can cure myself being pissed about Korg's treatment of high end customers by buying a Kronos

Not sure how that works.

Anyway, you should be able to negotiate a nice bulk discount if you buy 6 Kronoses :3drofl:

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:57 pm

Would it cure your being pissed more if they merely canceled the KRONOS and came out with nothing?

Life is too short to be pissed over material things...

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:05 pm

McHale wrote:Would it cure your being pissed more if they merely canceled the KRONOS and came out with nothing?

Life is too short to be pissed over material things...

Surprised you don't by now what has pissed me (and plenty more) off about Korg and the Oasys. Maybe I should repeat myself more often.

Not bothered about Kronos. If you want to buy one or two or more don't let me stop you. I hope you enjoy it/them....no seriously.....why wouldn't I?

Meanwhile I will continue to take every opportunity to remind Korg how they have pissed off customers (they do look at this forum). If you ain't one of us that's p'd off have a nice day.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:55 pm

Trust me, I've read ALL of the threads about how some people feel that Korg went out of their way to screw their customers by releasing a new OASYS like workstation while abandoning the OASYS which should have been supported well past the deaths of every living member of the KORG family. I just think it's a waste of time to complain, that's all. If your OASYS stopped working suddenly when the KRONOS was released, that'd be one thing. But with the exception of a function button that does nothing and a single expansion that wasn't released, the OASYS is as good and relevant today as it was when you bought it. I'm on the lookout STILL for an OASYS 76 in good condition despite the KRONOS being released soon.

Of course I'm paraphrasing wildly about the situation and I understand to a point. Had I purchased the OASYS I'd probably be right there with you. I just have the benefit of seeing the situation from a different perspective and I'm just saying that life is too short to stay pissed off about it. Korg *DID* release a LOT of stuff for the OASYS (Dan at Korg does a good job explaining everything released during and after it's lifetime). I'm not happy that Korg abandoned support on the M3 and M50 which are still current products with some significant bugs in the OS but I have been a Korg customer for decades and overall, they've treated me very well.

At some point in your (I don't mean that at you specifically TonyGen) life, you have to accept the fact that Korg made a corporate decision to abandon the OASYS. It's upsetting, I know. But your choice is to eventually move on or continue to let it anger you. Life is short, move on and get to your happy place sooner. That's all I'm saying. It's not a shot at anyone.

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:23 pm

McHale wrote:Trust me, I've read ALL of the threads about how some people feel that Korg went out of their way to screw their customers by releasing a new OASYS like workstation while abandoning the OASYS which should have been supported well past the deaths of every living member of the KORG family. I just think it's a waste of time to complain, that's all. If your OASYS stopped working suddenly when the KRONOS was released, that'd be one thing. But with the exception of a function button that does nothing and a single expansion that wasn't released, the OASYS is as good and relevant today as it was when you bought it. I'm on the lookout STILL for an OASYS 76 in good condition despite the KRONOS being released soon.

Of course I'm paraphrasing wildly about the situation and I understand to a point. Had I purchased the OASYS I'd probably be right there with you. I just have the benefit of seeing the situation from a different perspective and I'm just saying that life is too short to stay pissed off about it. Korg *DID* release a LOT of stuff for the OASYS (Dan at Korg does a good job explaining everything released during and after it's lifetime). I'm not happy that Korg abandoned support on the M3 and M50 which are still current products with some significant bugs in the OS but I have been a Korg customer for decades and overall, they've treated me very well.

At some point in your (I don't mean that at you specifically TonyGen) life, you have to accept the fact that Korg made a corporate decision to abandon the OASYS. It's upsetting, I know. But your choice is to eventually move on or continue to let it anger you. Life is short, move on and get to your happy place sooner. That's all I'm saying. It's not a shot at anyone.

McHale,

I understand what you say even though I am unable to see it from your viewpoint. Your opinion is as valid to you as mine is to me.

You misunderstand if you think I sit at home sticking pins in a voodoo Korg doll (and some in myself). The only time I remember that I'm annoyed with Korg is when a thread or post on here somehow reminds me

The rest of the time I enjoy my Oasys and my other equipment the same as no doubt everyone else does.

So please don't worry about my life being too short. It's a principle thing with me. I could afford a Kronos (or two) if I really wanted. But I have decided Korg will see no more of my money.....er, unless they soften Oasys customers up with a few freebies (unlikely).

Doesn't stop me loving my Oasys though. I've invested far too much time with mine making it very unlikely I would ever get rid. And certainly not for a few extra synth engines or a slightly better piano.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:42 pm

I understand both opinions (TonyGen and McHale). Of course we all have the right to express ourselves.

I have just found that post from kb420 strange. Sometimes, when I don't know a person, I search for his other posts to understand his intention and motivation better: why he came and why he said that.

Hint: Tony, if you don't want to repeat yourself again, you can simply insert a sentence in your sig. It will appear with all your posts written in the past and future. The most effective still elegant way to advertise, I think.

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:52 pm

Akos Janca wrote:I understand both opinions (TonyGen and McHale). Of course we all have the right to express ourselves.

I have just found that post from kb420 strange. Sometimes, when I don't know a person, I search for his other posts to understand his intention and motivation better: why he came and why he said that.

Hint: Tony, if you don't want to repeat yourself again, you can simply insert a sentence in your sig. It will appear with all your posts written in the past and future. The most effective still elegant way to advertise, I think.

Akos, I have no wish to stop repeating myself. I've said before I'm only happy when I'm complaining $\:D/$

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:03 pm

TonyGen wrote:I've said before I'm only happy when I'm complaining $\:D/$

As you wish - you're welcome!
(Then I misunderstood this.)

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:10 pm

Akos Janca wrote:
TonyGen wrote:I've said before I'm only happy when I'm complaining $\:D/$

As you wish - you're welcome!
(Then I misunderstood this.)

My posts are consistent. It's called tongue in cheek

Kontrol49 · Post by **Kontrol49** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:25 pm

There isn't anything to be pissed about with Kronos,if you have an Oasys,its technology evolving,but it hasn't surpassed much of the Oasys anyway,to me korg Can rehash any device I've bought all they like,they've done it plenty of times and there wasn't a backlash when they kind of did it with with Trinity>Triton,and they've milked the Oasys concept filtering it into everything since the Trinity/Prophecy days to the actual release of the Oasys device

I guess Like Tony and many others its not about what they release its how they dropped the Oasys in a cloud of "we have no cash to develop it"yet essentially recased it in the form of Kronos with no regard to the people who did buy it.Whatever the reasons,it not a middle of the road priced device so naturally there are going to be disgruntled people,even if they enjoy and use the machine still now.Good luck to those who are getting a Kronos,Korg are marketing it in the correct way,as I dare say they learnt from mistakes of its heritage.

Still think its way out of the price league of most and will create ripples for many when it doesn't live up to expectations,suckered in by its lower than oasys price tag hype,and the financial reality sets in,taking the typical life cycles of Korg workstations if the kronos is of the same fashion of a few years with little or no development/OS updates other than bug fixes etc,its going to be engulfed with a base of peed users many of whom I dare say will have more of an axe to grind than Oasys owners.

Dany · Post by **Dany** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:29 am

Kontrol49 wrote:...its going to be engulfed with a base of peed users many of whom I dare say will have more of an axe to grind than Oasys owners.

In January 2009 I have posted this on the Oasys Wishlist of this forum:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ht=#267364

I wrote:

---1- Full program edit access in Combi and Seq Mode. (Yamaha's SY77 from 1989 can do this!!!) Because otherwise you will never have the chance to manipulate a MS20 Sound with the virtual knobs on its beautiful graphic interface in Seq- or Combi-Mode.

---2- Drum Program editing in Program-, Combi- and Seq-Mode not like now only in Global Mode.

---3- Effect Send for individual Drumsounds adjustable in Program-, Combi- and Seq-Mode and not like now only in Global Mode.

---4- Flexible storing of Programs into Banks, not like now, just either EXi or HD1 for a whole Bank.

---5- More Program slots due the many EXi's that are meanwhile available.

---6- Get rid of the GM Sounds or make it an option to blank them out from the Program list or put them al least to the end of the list.

---7- Drumtrack as in the M3

---8- Touchscreen editing like in the PA800 and M3-Xpanded: Touch a parameter and change its value by moving the finger on the screen.

---9- Velocity-Meters (Midi and Audio) for each track in Seq-Mode and in Combi-Mode or at least an indication which part in a Combi actually is sounding.

---10-And of Course: Give us at least the Sequencer of the M3-Xpanded.

Which one of those wishes are fullfilled today in the KRONOS?

Only wish Nr.7 is fulfilled on the KRONOS and hopefully point Nr. 6....everything else remains exactly the same as with the OASYS...

So therefore, after its shipping, we can expect a lot of complaints from KRONOS users, who will state EXACTLY the same issues and unfulfilled wishes regarding the KRONOS as the OASYS users did already six years ago...

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Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:01 am

Dany wrote:
Kontrol49 wrote:...its going to be engulfed with a base of peed users many of whom I dare say will have more of an axe to grind than Oasys owners.
In January 2009 I have posted this on the Oasys Wishlist of this forum:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ht=#267364

...

Which one of those wishes are fullfilled today in the KRONOS?

Only wish Nr.7 is fulfilled on the KRONOS and hopefully point Nr. 6....everything else remains exactly the same as with the OASYS...

So therefore, after its shipping, we can expect a lot of complaints from KRONOS users, who will state EXACTLY the same issues and unfulfilled wishes regarding the KRONOS as the OASYS users did already six years ago...

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Hi Dany,

I think you are right - the above wishes are not fully fulfilled. (Albeit I don't think everybody needs them all.)

I think user feedback is very important and Korg need and appreciate it. It certainly doesn't mean they can, want or will fulfill all wishes at once or at all. But believe, they are clever developers and also experienced musicians - they are listening.

OASYS users seem to be generally satisfied with this incredible instrument. How many are complaining here from the 3000?

For musicians I think the most important is how does an instrument respond and sound. (I haven't compared them personally yet but) considering that Kronos includes even more exceptional synth engines with great user interface in a more affordable package than OASYS I think Kronos must be a big success.

Many people will be very happy to play this dream instrument for the first time in their life. I think we still remember the Beautiful Day when we unpacked our OASYS!

Hedegaard · Post by **Hedegaard** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:26 pm

Akos Janca wrote:I think we still remember the Beautiful Day when we unpacked our OASYS!

Haha! Excellent! What a geek!

I see you did the same things as me, unpacking the Oasys the first time, savouring the moment for a long while.
I also took numerous pictures of the box step-by-step.

Except I didn't stab it with a knife, what if you scraped the Oasys underneath? I mean, you didn't know how far under the cardboard it was.