Why was the thread related to Daz stepping down deleted ???

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:21 pm

Ozy, do you feel offended?

I don't think we have to make Korg happy here.
I also enjoy some of your jokes. And I learn reading opinions from different perspectives. (But for moderator? I wouldn't vote for that.

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ozy · Post by **ozy** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:27 pm

Akos Janca wrote: moderator? I wouldn't vote for that. )

me... moderator?

Try something more realistic:

Caligula as Supreme Court judge,

Dracula as Blood Bank director,

or Alien-3 as President of the local Slow Food Association.

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:00 pm

Soulbe, Akos & Tucker are spot on target IMO.

Everyone should certainly be free to express their own opinion, however strange it may be, as long as they maintain a civil tongue somewhere in their head.

Still, many people today seem to have lost the good sense & thoughtfulness to utilize manners in social settings. Those who need or seek open conflict or cast sarcasm to make their day are social pariahs trapped by their own words & deeds.

I'm sure that there never was any intent on Sharp's part to create a forum where rampant disrespect was to be accepted. If everyone on the forum had a burr up their butt all the time, the forum would collapse.

Just sayin',

Ken

Post by **Sharp** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 pm

If the forum is changing like this - less of meaningful info, more of entertainment - I wonder how Korg will want to help to finance the hosting.

Actually, the function of this forum is NOT to provide KORG Tech Support. Never has been.

The entire point of the forum is that KORG users can find each other online, get help, hang out, make friends, share idea’s, and learn things along the way. It was never a place where all technical issues will be resolved.

KORG Forums is a community, not tech support.

Regards
Sharp.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:14 pm

Sharp wrote:
If the forum is changing like this - less of meaningful info, more of entertainment - I wonder how Korg will want to help to finance the hosting.
Actually, the function of this forum is NOT to provide KORG Tech Support. Never has been.

The entire point of the forum is that KORG users can find each other online, get help, hang out, make friends, share idea’s, and learn things along the way. It was never a place where all technical issues will be resolved.

KORG Forums is a community, not tech support.

Regards
Sharp.

Dear Sharp,

I understand. Of course, I didn't mean "KORG Tech Support" at all.

Still, the forum provides it on high level with the contribution of some helpful users and Korg experts. That makes it a unique and great place (at least for me). If we seek primarily for entertainment we can find it anywhere but if we need help or we want to learn about our Korg instruments we return to this only forum.

Regards,
Akos

Post by **Sharp** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:22 pm

Still, the forum provides it on high level with the contribution of some helpful users and Korg experts.

True, but with that too comes the problem of people often getting certain expectation in their mind and posting questions directly at KORG. When they get no answer then they get annoyed and complain that KORG are not listening.

That makes it a unique and great place (at least for me). If we seek primarily for entertainment we can find it anywhere but if we need help or we want to learn about our Korg instruments we return to this only forum.

You can’t have one without the other and expect the forum to function as a place for end users and not a tech support site.

I know for a fact I wouldn’t want to even come here if it only involved people posting their problems and looking for solutions. A balance between both is what makes this place work and why KORG want to support us.

Regards
Sharp.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:34 am

Sharp wrote:
Still, the forum provides it on high level with the contribution of some helpful users and Korg experts.
True, but with that too comes the problem of people often getting certain expectation in their mind and posting questions directly at KORG. When they get no answer then they get annoyed and complain that KORG are not listening.

That makes it a unique and great place (at least for me). If we seek primarily for entertainment we can find it anywhere but if we need help or we want to learn about our Korg instruments we return to this only forum.
You can’t have one without the other and expect the forum to function as a place for end users and not a tech support site.

I know for a fact I wouldn’t want to even come here if it only involved people posting their problems and looking for solutions. A balance between both is what makes this place work and why KORG want to support us.

It could be a really interesting topic to discuss with many questions and aspects.

Why Korg wants to support us really? I guess there must be a clear financial reason when a company decides to invest money. (Nothing wrong with that anyway.)

kenackr · Post by **kenackr** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:01 pm

Akos,

The financial reason may be that they would have to spend more to do it on their own than to just fund a server. Who knows? But yes, companies do have to watch what they spend their money on unless they have gone on to the final spin cycle (like Bill Gates) who now wants to give most of his obscene share of it away.

It's also possible that even though they may feel frustrated at times with us pesky customers, they realize that they might stir up even more acrimony if they ran it. :wacky:

Ken

cello · Post by **cello** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:20 pm

I think the point to observe is that if Korg ran their own forums, at least half of the posts/comments/views wouldn't be permitted!

If Korg owned the forum then it would be highly moderated. Take the Adobe forum(s) for example - you're not allowed to debate whether competing products might actually be better than Adobe ones.

So then - this is Sharp's point... it is the OPEN balance of this forum that makes it a) educational, b) different and c) fun.

Whilst some may find it surprising that Korg don't run their own forum, strangely enough, Korg probably learns more from this forum than their own might allow, simply because competing products/approaches/views can be openly discussed - which in turn helps us - as some of these elements may (I said MAY) contribute to future Korg developments.

peter m. mahr · Post by **peter m. mahr** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 am

I am not sure if anyone of you was a visitor of the Kurzweil Forum. It was a great place at the beginning, already some time ago (mid or late 90ies), one of the early ones and ahead of its time. It started great but it ended up as a desaster and Kurzweil decided to close it. My guess is, that some companies observed that as well and came to the decision that a forum run by themselves could end up like the one from Kurzweil.

Peter

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:54 pm

cello wrote:I think the point to observe is that if Korg ran their own forums, at least half of the posts/comments/views wouldn't be permitted!

If Korg owned the forum then it would be highly moderated. Take the Adobe forum(s) for example - you're not allowed to debate whether competing products might actually be better than Adobe ones.

So then - this is Sharp's point... it is the OPEN balance of this forum that makes it a) educational, b) different and c) fun.

Whilst some may find it surprising that Korg don't run their own forum, strangely enough, Korg probably learns more from this forum than their own might allow, simply because competing products/approaches/views can be openly discussed - which in turn helps us - as some of these elements may (I said MAY) contribute to future Korg developments.

Well it depends of the company philosipy and their moral attitude.
Some comanies allow critic about their product and thay would not mind if somebody will like other producs over theirs. because for thouse companies means if sombody openly critic their producs it mean that thay need to improvetheir own prudacs rather then hide it's weakness.

Also thay have endorsers in the companies but thay don't have strict policies like "100% of time u should use only our product", they let them use other brands producs, but if one of their endorcers use other brand pruduct thay will ask that endorcer why he use other brand product,and rather that fire him or she thay will try to improve their own producs and reduce it weeknesses.

I hightly respect thouse comanies with this kind of attitude.

and i am not going to name thouse companies but you know thay make a very amazing products !!!

p.s.but unfortionaly there is no a singel any company like I have described in the keyboards buisness, what is the shame

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:01 am

peter m. mahr wrote:I am not sure if anyone of you was a visitor of the Kurzweil Forum. It was a great place at the beginning, already some time ago (mid or late 90ies), one of the early ones and ahead of its time. It started great but it ended up as a desaster and Kurzweil decided to close it. My guess is, that some companies observed that as well and came to the decision that a forum run by themselves could end up like the one from Kurzweil.

Peter

Well that forum that is right now at Sonik Mettre is unoficial forum of Kurzweil, but the admin of that forum is an idiot, he is happy with his medicore equipment and don't want to hear any new fresh ideas at all and if u he don't like when u argue with him and u have a differnt opinion then his. The best what he can do just ban u and that it.

But the guy Dave Waiser who is a real employ of Kurzweil, as a really nice person and also he is very pashionet about his work and place where he works and it is not just a place where he get payed, this is a place he gives his a creativity and devotion for a work. a really respectful person...

just my 2 cents