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Hi All.

I can't believe I am asking this... On a MIDI track in the sequencer I used the #1 Fader to make some necessary volume changes on a track- 'cept I screwed up while recording. So all I need is to filter that volume change data. I checked the manual. Yeah, I know, the manual isn't even 1200 pages and I should've found it in seconds. Anyway, I would have expected CC #7 or #11....oh, but no! And also, where on the Oasys can a guy fund out what CC# is applied (of course, it's programmable) to a particular knob, slider, or what have you?

Regarding the botched trck; Of course, I could just re-record that portion of the track but my "take" was exacly the way I wanted it and when I throw down a good passage on a track I better hang on to that puppy for dear life, cuz they don't happen very often, lol.

Okay, anyway...sorry to be such the old-time noob in this case. I know this stuff is in the manual but it illuded me somehow. Thanks in advance.


Cheers.
UCanDream aka David

David,

How are you making the volume changes? Are you manually moving the slider while the track is in overdub record mode? Or are you modifying the velocity over a certain span of measures? Or some other technique?

Did you try changing the erase measure function so that you are only erasing the control changes or "exclusive" stuff? (I have recently had a hard time getting rid of volume control changes on a track after having tinkered with lots of fancy volume increases or decreases at particular measures.)

Fiddling with the velocity can be effective. However, if you are modifying something like a drum pattern or a guitar strum, the velocity change destroys the dynamic variation. All the drum taps or guitar picking ends up at the same dynamic level. That may not matter if you are using a voice, like a synth bass, that one does not expect to have dynamic nuances. But on an acoustic guitar or drum kit it sounds awful.

So I am raising more questions than I am answering. But your question points out that the answer is not obvious even to a seasoned Oasys user like you.

Greg

David, I'm assuming you had the sequence saved prior to introducing it back into the machine when you started tweaking the fader. My thought is that you just go back to that unchanged prior version and redo what you were attempting. That would be a lot simpler than trying to adjust CC's. My 2 cents anyway.

nitecrawler

ps I can't count the times I wished I had done that before I started saving "religiously".

David, I'm not at my OASYS, but you can opt to ERASE sysex or CC data only. Your musical data will not be affected. Just erase the fader movement and try again.

Hey Greg, Nightcrawler, Mike...

You guys are as reliable as good dudes can ever be. Thank you, as always.

Greg, your first guess was dead on. I am overdubbing a manual movement of the fader on a MIDI track. I was just trying to create some cool dynamics in a string section. I could have used the volume pedal but I wanted to exceed my set volume for the strings and then be able to return to it rather quickly. You can do anything quick on a pedal but you cannot see the value and I needed to see that in order to return to it. There just is not an accurate way to guage pedal positions. (I saw one with incremental lights on the side....lol, looked dang cool. But I don't have one of those. Looked like a cool accelerator for an arcade game.) I am going to look into your "changing the erase measure function." Yeah, the velocity wouldn't have really been an effective tool as increasing it would likely have caused unwanted accents in the string section that were not wanted.

Nightcrawler....man, it took me losing a lot of valuable "tracks" and "takes" before I finally got religious about saving even small changes in a song. By some irony, I had failed to do it this one time. In spite of the declining value of the Dollar, your two cents is worth a good couple of bucks as far as this saving bit goes! Two or three quick clicks can save an hour or two of aggrevation. Good stuff, buddy.

Hey Mike, I'm gonna root thru the various options and parameters to find this little gem you are mentioning. Unless, that is, I already found it. I may have...and it was requiring me to input the CC number. That's the big mystery here....I am not sure which number it is. Here's something really crazy; When I take a look at ALL of the MIDI events in the song where these volume changes start to go bad (by "bad, I just mean that I just overshot my intended value when overdubbing) I am not seeing any CC# that may be suspect. I have the list of the CC table....man this is weird!

Again, I know I can just redo the track or the measures in question. But now I'm all hung up on this! This MUST be a continuous controller, right? I mean, it can't be anything else that I know of.

Hopefully, I said something here that might trigger another thought from one of you guys, or anyone else. I appreciate you guys chiming in....thanks. Hit me back if something else comes to mind.


Regards.
UCanDream aka David

David,

Your question makes me think of another that I am currently struggling with.

Suppose I have recorded four measures of choir voices. I would like the voices to swell over the span of measures 1 through 4. Is there some control programming I can do so that the swell is fluid, instead of jerky (as my manual manipulation of the volume slider tends to be when I try to create this effect in overdub record mode)?

In other words, is there editing function after the fact that I can use to control the volume of only this one track, just as I could edit the velocity of that track over measures 1 through 4 using any one of five different functional forms for the increase in velocity over time? Just to be clear, I am not trying to increase the volume of all MIDI tracks--only the track with the choir.

Greg

Greg,

Yes indeed, there is a way to do this. It is a very cool feature I have used before and I will go to the Oasys this morning and figure out how I did it. Doing a swell like this, like you said, is much more fluid and controllable. I'll be back here later with an answer.


Cheers.
UCanDream aka David

Okay Greg,

Here it is; (Actually, you were so close to touching on it in your original response to my issue.) In the track edit mode go to the drop down menu and choose Create Control Data. Of course, you have already selected your MIDI track before this and when playing the keys your desired sound is what you hear, therefor, what is going to be affected by the next step. Anyway, at this point you are looking at the Create Control Data in MIDI Track XX page. The top of that window offers you From Measure and To Measure options. Right below that is your Beat and Tick panes. Next is your Control Change Number pane. Number 011 will do nicely if you are going for volume changes. To the right of that number you have the Start and End values.

I suspect that you may need to 'gush' these voices above the volume level that you have them set at in the song. In other words, if their track volume is set at 88 but your swell requires them to peak at 120 then be sure to consider that in creating the controller data. Here is a fix to that dilemma: Set the track volume on your voices to 127 (max). Now, create control data across the span of the entire song...no changes (swelling) quite yet. That control data will be Control Change Number 007 (volume) and your Start and End values BOTH are 88. Now your desired volume is where you wanted it to begin with even though the track volume is set to 127. At this point, create further changes in the track by effectively overlaying more 011 changes at your desired points in the song. In this way you will be able to exeed your "88" volume.

Interestingly, CC# 007 doesn't seem to like layered changes whereas 011 will allow it. So I simply use them together. To summarize: Set track channel to maximum volume ()127). Set CC# 007 to actual desired volume level. Now, CC# 011 will accomplish the swells for you and you can easily end up back at your original volume level after the swell(s).

I can't emphasize Nitecrawler's suggestion enough- to save your successful changes as you go...even the small changes. Maybe even have a copy of the original (unaffected) version of the song. Just watch your value at the To Measure pane making sure to return to your intended average volume setting.

Hopefully, my explanation makes sense. If not, this is always an option. Hehehe


Later buddy.
UCanDream aka David

UCanDream wrote:
And also, where on the Oasys can a guy fund out what CC# is applied (of course, it's programmable) to a particular knob, slider, or what have you?

Page 1049 of the Oasys Parameter Guide.